37818 claiming "Does not prove the original had the error" is an assumption because we do not have the originals as these originals are lost.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post37818 claiming "Does not prove the original had the error" is an assumption because we do not have the originals as these originals are lost.
AND, Islam does not have the original Qur'an either. All variants were destroyed by Ultman and a standard copy was made.
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Originally posted by Christian3 View PostWe have copies of the originals.
AND, Islam does not have the original Qur'an either. All variants were destroyed by Ultman and a standard copy was made.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Christian3 saying "We have copies of the originals" is without basis. In his work, The Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties, professor Gleason Archer of Evangelical Divinity School admits that "we must deal with the very real problem of the complete disappearance of the autographa (the originals)"
I am not commenting on any book except the Bible as this thread is about the debate of the inspiration of the Bible.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostChristian3 saying "We have copies of the originals" is without basis. In his work, The Encyclopedia of Biblical Difficulties, professor Gleason Archer of Evangelical Divinity School admits that "we must deal with the very real problem of the complete disappearance of the autographa (the originals)"
I am asking you, how do you know any said error is from the source autograph and not an error do to the copyist?. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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37818 asked "What are the copies from? Are you not making some type of claim that the autographs of said copies had said errors?"
Answer: I was not debating the preservation of the Bible. In this regard, there is one fact undisputed that we do not have the originals. I only assert one thing that the Bible has contradictions. For example, 2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahazaiah was 22 when he began to rule" whereas 2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Ahazaiah was 42 when he began to rule"
In any language in the word, 42 and 22 are not same.
37818 asked "I am asking you, how do you know any said error is from the source autograph and not an error do to the copyist?"
I am not commenting on the preservation of the Bible because this thread is about commenting on the debate of the inspiration of the Bible.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post37818 asked "What are the copies from? Are you not making some type of claim that the autographs of said copies had said errors?"
Answer: I was not debating the preservation of the Bible. In this regard, there is one fact undisputed that we do not have the originals. I only assert one thing that the Bible has contradictions. For example, 2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahazaiah was 22 when he began to rule" whereas 2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Ahazaiah was 42 when he began to rule"
In any language in the word, 42 and 22 are not same.
37818 asked "I am asking you, how do you know any said error is from the source autograph and not an error do to the copyist?"
I am not commenting on the preservation of the Bible because this thread is about commenting on the debate of the inspiration of the Bible.
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There is a topic called, "Biblical Errancy."
It has three components:
1. The reader of the text.
2. The translation of the text.
3. Known copyist errors.
So what inerrancy is not:
1. The reader.
2. The translation.
3. The copyist.
Biblical inerrancy has always been that God is inerrant. So God as His word was given to the human writers is inerrant. The autographs. Of which we only have copies from.
There is God's Holy Spirit which He has placed in His followers through faith in His grace, in His Christ.Last edited by 37818; 02-27-2018, 08:36 AM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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37818, my offer is clear that the Bible is not the word of God in light of the following contradiction in the Bible; 2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahzaiah was 22 when he began to rule" while 2 Chronicles 22:2 says ""Ahzaiah was 42 when he began to rule". I am sure this is not what God inspired because 42 and 22 are not same unless the reader is crazy.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post37818, my offer is clear that the Bible is not the word of God in light of the following contradiction in the Bible; 2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahzaiah was 22 when he began to rule" while 2 Chronicles 22:2 says ""Ahzaiah was 42 when he began to rule". I am sure this is not what God inspired because 42 and 22 are not same unless the reader is crazy.
And when We desire to destroy a city, WE COMMAND its men who live at ease, AND THEY COMMIT UNGODLINESS therein, then the Word is realized against it, and We destroy it utterly. S. 17:16
Surely God bids to justice and good-doing and giving to kinsmen; and He forbids indecency, dishonour, and insolence, admonishing you, so that haply you will remember. S. 16:90
And whenever they commit an indecency they say, 'We found our fathers practising it, and God has commanded us to do it.' Say: 'God does not command indecency; what, do you say concerning God such things as you know not?' S. 7:28
Both A, and not A are logically contradictory. Having such in the Quran is worse than having a numerical error creep in by copyist error.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostCommanding evil, and not commanding evil are the opposite, yet the Quran ascribes both to Allah.
And when We desire to destroy a city, WE COMMAND its men who live at ease, AND THEY COMMIT UNGODLINESS therein, then the Word is realized against it, and We destroy it utterly. S. 17:16
Surely God bids to justice and good-doing and giving to kinsmen; and He forbids indecency, dishonour, and insolence, admonishing you, so that haply you will remember. S. 16:90
And whenever they commit an indecency they say, 'We found our fathers practising it, and God has commanded us to do it.' Say: 'God does not command indecency; what, do you say concerning God such things as you know not?' S. 7:28
Both A, and not A are logically contradictory. Having such in the Quran is worse than having a numerical error creep in by copyist error.
The debate is about the inspiration of the Bible (not the Quran).Last edited by Same Hakeem; 06-09-2018, 01:56 PM.
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThe debate is about the inspiration of the Bible (not the Quran).
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Originally posted by Same Hakeem View PostThanks Cerebrum123 for admitting that the Bible is not inspired because it has error by saying " it has a numerical error creep in after centuries of being passed down"
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostI didn't "admit that the Bible is not inspired". Are you going to admit that the Quran is not inspired since it has logical contradictions in it?
You saying above "it has a numerical error creep in after centuries of being passed down" is an admission that the Bible is not inspired.
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