First they ban plastic, now paper

[Sparko]

I guess you have to start carrying your own to-go bags and coffee cups in San Francisco.

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Forget the plastic straws. California cafes are disposing of, well, disposable cups

A new cafe culture is brewing in the San Francisco area, where a growing number of coffee houses are banishing paper to-go cups and replacing them with everything from glass jars https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ps/2744534001/
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Yeah because giving people their coffee in glass jars to carry around the streets is such a great idea.

[Mountain Man]

Oh, good, because that's the worse of San Francisco's problems.

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[Leonhard]

Oh, good, because that's the worse of San Francisco's problems.

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You guys still thought that poop app was a real thing for months on end.

[Leonhard]

You guys still thought that poop app was a real thing for months on end.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/...ng-or-a-rumor/

[Mountain Man]

You guys still thought that poop app was a real thing for months on end.

Yeah, because San Francisco's poop problem is disgustingly real...

https://www.breitbart.com/environmen...lem-worsening/

[simplicio]

I guess you have to start carrying your own to-go bags and coffee cups in San Francisco.

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Forget the plastic straws. California cafes are disposing of, well, disposable cups

A new cafe culture is brewing in the San Francisco area, where a growing number of coffee houses are banishing paper to-go cups and replacing them with everything from glass jars https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ps/2744534001/
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Yeah because giving people their coffee in glass jars to carry around the streets is such a great idea.

Seems the free market types are up in arms over these kinds of stories.

Just what is wrong with it?

[Leonhard]

Yeah, because San Francisco's poop problem is disgustingly real...

https://www.breitbart.com/environmen...lem-worsening/

They definitely have a huge homelessness problem.

[Leonhard]

Yeah because giving people their coffee in glass jars to carry around the streets is such a great idea.

I don't like these laws either Sparko, mostly because they're what we in Denmark call 'symbolic politics', its something that shows that "stuff is being done" without actually doing much.

I'd show up with a lead-copper mug.

[Sparko]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/...ng-or-a-rumor/

The article says the app is indeed real, just not an official government project.

[Sparko]

Seems the free market types are up in arms over these kinds of stories.

Just what is wrong with it?

First they ban plastic and replace it with paper which as I have said causes way more pollution than plastic (research paper mills) and now they are banning the paper they were promoting. It's ridiculous. They should never have banned plastic to begin with. California is full of touch-feely types who feel better about themselves by creating "causes" that in actuality do nothing, while ignoring actual problems, like the aforementioned poop in the streets and homelessness everywhere. But hey, they have banned paper and plastic. Yay!

[Sparko]

I don't like these laws either Sparko, mostly because they're what we in Denmark call 'symbolic politics', its something that shows that "stuff is being done" without actually doing much.

Exactly!

I'd show up with a lead-copper mug.

But yeah, people bringing their own dirty containers into coffee shops seems like a great way to spread disease. The barrister touches one germ-laden mug then handles another, and so on. And if they do use something like glass containers, how is that any better? Now you have glass shards all over the streets instead of paper cups.

[simplicio]

I don't like these laws either Sparko, mostly because they're what we in Denmark call 'symbolic politics', its something that shows that "stuff is being done" without actually doing much.

I'd show up with a lead-copper mug.

Not sure that this is empty symbolism. Municipal solid waste is a major problem in this country, and we generate more per capita than European countries. Landfills are an essential part of our infrastructure, even though it is different in form from sewage or electric lines.

And like much of this country's infrastructure, it is antiquated. But updating landfills mean more landfills (or stacking it higher) not replacing them like electric lines.

[mossrose]

Exactly!






But yeah, people bringing their own dirty containers into coffee shops seems like a great way to spread disease. The barrister touches one germ-laden mug then handles another, and so on. And if they do use something like glass containers, how is that any better? Now you have glass shards all over the streets instead of paper cups.

Even if the glass containers are only for in-store sitting and drinking, the cost of the product is going yo go up if they have to hire a dishwasher or install a dishwasher, etc.

There are a couple of places here that charge less for coffee if you bring your own mug. MelMak's grocer offers a discount, and so does 7-11. I can get any size coffee at 7-11 for .50 if I use my own mug. Of course 7-11 is only takeaway, nobody sits in there and drinks their beverage.

But, I predict the cost of the product will increase at these "environmentally cutting edge artsy-fartsy" places.

[Sparko]

Even if the glass containers are only for in-store sitting and drinking, the cost of the product is going yo go up if they have to hire a dishwasher or install a dishwasher, etc.

There are a couple of places here that charge less for coffee if you bring your own mug. MelMak's grocer offers a discount, and so does 7-11. I can get any size coffee at 7-11 for .50 if I use my own mug. Of course 7-11 is only takeaway, nobody sits in there and drinks their beverage.

But, I predict the cost of the product will increase at these "environmentally cutting edge artsy-fartsy" places.

https://foodispower.org/our-food-choices/coffee/

[seer]

First they ban plastic and replace it with paper which as I have said causes way more pollution than plastic (research paper mills) and now they are banning the paper they were promoting. It's ridiculous. They should never have banned plastic to begin with. California is full of touch-feely types who feel better about themselves by creating "causes" that in actuality do nothing, while ignoring actual problems, like the aforementioned poop in the streets and homelessness everywhere. But hey, they have banned paper and plastic. Yay!

Ban toilet paper next?