Majority of Americans want Confederate statues to remain...

[Bill the Cat]

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[Darth Executor]

JimL supports removing confederate statues for the same reason why he supports forcing grandma to attend gay weddings or lose her bakery: he enjoys humiliating his enemies even after they have been defeated. If he had been born in the south he'd have almost certainly been a vicious slave owner who tortured his slaves for the smallest slight against him. In fact, given that he's a trust fund baby I'm curious about his family history. It was recently revealed that Anderson Cooper's ancestors owned some of Michelle Obama's.

[One Bad Pig]

Jim is actually right here. See the story of the Clotilde.

Interesting.

(See, Jim, I'm more than willing to concede points given proof.)

[JimL]

Interesting.

(See, Jim, I'm more than willing to concede points given proof.)

Okay,but in the future be careful not to talk about topics in which you are uninformed.

[One Bad Pig]

Okay,but in the future be careful not to talk about topics in which you are uninformed.

Ow, that smarts a little.

[lilpixieofterror]

It was to both limit the spread into the western territories as well as to end the trade itself. First step.

That's not what you said at all. You said that the south rebelled against the abolition of slavery when that wasn't even in the cards. The North was full of racism about as bad as the south. It's only through historical white washing that the south is made into being full of racist villains and the North was a place of virture. In reality the North had no qualms shoving minorities into terrible jobs and subgating them with racist laws. If you want to tear down statues of past racist, start with Lincoln and move on from there.

[lilpixieofterror]

No it wasn't ended, the importation of slaves continued in the south until the 1860's despite the law banning it signed by THOMAS JEFFERSON in 1807. You probably shouldn't speak on topics in which you are uninformed.

And the US Navy was intercepting slaver traders. Read the story of the USS Constellation of the 1850's.

[Terraceth]

Well, the Republican platform in 1860 was saying that, although the Atlantic slave trade was illegal (and from 1820 on was punished with the death penalty), enough wasn't being done because it was still going on, and they wanted stronger steps taken against it.

By the way, anyone curious about the Republican platform that Lincoln was elected on can find it here:
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29620

It's so brief compared to modern day platforms. The Democratic platform (as well as the other Democratic platform, the party was in a bit of a schism right then) is even shorter!

[Jedidiah]

Jim is actually right here. See the story of the Clotilde.

Even a stopped clock . . .

[One Bad Pig]

Even a stopped clock . . .

Frankly, I deserved to be called out (although it would have been nice to see proof from him).

I learned a new word today, too (for the record, "impendent"). I am suitably humbled.

[Tassman]

The slave trade was ended in 1808, Jim. You probably shouldn't speak on topics in which you are underinformed.

Maybe so but after its complete abolition its place was taken by the Jim Crow Laws and these laws continued to be enforced until 1965. It is the Jim Crow mindset we see reflected in the White Supremacist KKK movement. It is attempting to retain the symbols of white dominance, of which the Robert E Lee statue is but one of many.

[Bill the Cat]

Maybe so but after its complete abolition its place was taken by the Jim Crow Laws and these laws continued to be enforced until 1965. It is the Jim Crow mindset we see reflected in the White Supremacist KKK movement. It is attempting to retain the symbols of white dominance, of which the Robert E Lee statue is but one of many.

It's a statue of a historically significant individual on the side that lost a war. It's just a statue. Same as Lenin in Seattle. Same as Versailles. Same as the Coliseum in Rome. Same as Hadrian's Wall. Same as Scipio's Tower in Spain. They are not "symbols of white dominance" any more than the Arc de Triomphe or Fontainebleau are symbols of Napoleonic dominance in Paris. They are just monuments to a historic event in the city/state/country.

[rogue06]

It's a statue of a historically significant individual on the side that lost a war. It's just a statue. Same as Lenin in Seattle. Same as Versailles. Same as the Coliseum in Rome. Same as Hadrian's Wall. Same as Scipio's Tower in Spain. They are not "symbols of white dominance" any more than the Arc de Triomphe or Fontainebleau are symbols of Napoleonic dominance in Paris. They are just monuments to a historic event in the city/state/country.

The left is silent about things like this

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Bust of Joseph Stalin in Bedford, Virginia. Responsible for the deaths of between 5 and 20 million



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Statues of Lenin in Seattle and New York City. Personally ordered the killing of local groups of "class enemy" hostages numbering into several thousand.



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Statue of Che Guevara in New York City next to Central Park. Yet another communist mass murderer and terrorist.





In Che's case the left may not care that he was a killer since it was all in the name of the glorious communist revolution, but he also committed the one unforgivable sin -- he was a racist. In his autobiography, The Motorcycle Diaries he wrote

"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

In the same book he proclaimed that "Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians."

[JimL]

The left is silent about things like this

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Bust of Joseph Stalin in Bedford, Virginia. Responsible for the deaths of between 5 and 20 million



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Statues of Lenin in Seattle and New York City. Personally ordered the killing of local groups of "class enemy" hostages numbering into several thousand.



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Statue of Che Guevara in New York City next to Central Park. Yet another communist mass murderer and terrorist.





In Che's case the left may not care that he was a killer since it was all in the name of the glorious communist revolution, but he also committed the one unforgivable sin -- he was a racist. In his autobiography, The Motorcycle Diaries he wrote

"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

In the same book he proclaimed that "Mexicans are a band of illiterate Indians."

Probably because there are so few of them that nobody knew about them until you knuckleheads sought them out in order to bolster your argument. Btw, this is nothing new, statues of stalin all over europe have been taken down. Perhaps you think they should be put back up as well?

[rogue06]

Probably because there are so few of them that nobody knew about them until you knuckleheads sought them out in order to bolster your argument.

Sounds like you're far more upset at the fact that they're pointed out than anything else.

But you did actually accidentally back into a point here. Few people notice statues, or more accurately, who the statue is of, these days except to maybe use them as a landmark ("let's meet near that statue near the north entrance to the park" sort of thing) until knuckleheads desperately seeking to be offended decided to start whining.