Descriptor/Identity of "Muslim"
The Quranic term "muslim" is not a label of a group---rather it is a spiritual state (the most minimum out of 3 spiritual states) and means "one who submits" (to God/God's law) and as such Jesus Christ(pbuh) was a "muslim"...and so are the planets, sun, stars...etc....
The term "Muslim" as a legal descriptor (In Islamic history) came about because of legal reasons requiring identification of groups for legal purposes....the term "Muslim" as a socio-religious identity came about as "Muslims" began to define themselves in opposition to "X".
As a Muslim, I consider myself a follower of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and his message of Tawheed---the same message all Prophets (and Wisdom Teachers) of God gave as Guidance to humanity.
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Originally posted by siam View PostCould one say that formulations of morals/ethics develop from premises/presumptions based on a world-view/paradigm?
So...the extent to which one group's paradigms overlap with another's---the presumptions and therefore, ethics/morals also overlap and to the degree they differ---the ethics and morals also differ.....
All humanity may accept that life is important---but how they understand/define "life" and "important" may differ...One religion may say that killing animals for consumption is not moral/ethical...another may see it differently....Even the understanding of human in terms of "human life" may differ according to different world-views....
From an Islamic perspective, morals/ethics develop from an orientation (facing towards, turning to/"world-view")...and this orientation is understood as Tawheed (One God).
From this orientation, purpose is articulated, and values and principles are formulated and from these develop the laws(ethics/morality)
Law(formulation of ethical/moral values into rules/regulations) requires a methodology. Some considerations in the development of methodology are---Qiyas (Analogical reasoning (of sources)), Ijtihad (Creative reasoning) Ijma/Shura (Consideration of consensus/majority) Istislah (consideration of public interest/public good), and Urf (consideration of traditions, customs)
Modern, secular societies tend to separate ethics/morality from law. This means that ethics/morality are only "values" (abstracts) implemented mainly (and randomly) through social pressure....?.....
Those messengers - some of them We caused to exceed others. Among them were those to whom Allah spoke, and He raised some of them in degree. And We gave Jesus, the Son of Mary, clear proofs, and We supported him with the Pure Spirit.
He has ordained for you of religion what He enjoined upon Noah and that which We have revealed to you, and what We enjoined upon Abraham and Moses and Jesus - to establish the religion and not be divided therein.
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Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostLeading questions to you are any questions that challenge your worldview.... so there's no point in even trying to debate, because as you'll kick me out as soon as I ask a question.
I'll try this anyway: Where does morality originate from? Is it objective or subjective?
So...the extent to which one group's paradigms overlap with another's---the presumptions and therefore, ethics/morals also overlap and to the degree they differ---the ethics and morals also differ.....
All humanity may accept that life is important---but how they understand/define "life" and "important" may differ...One religion may say that killing animals for consumption is not moral/ethical...another may see it differently....Even the understanding of human in terms of "human life" may differ according to different world-views....
From an Islamic perspective, morals/ethics develop from an orientation (facing towards, turning to/"world-view")...and this orientation is understood as Tawheed (One God).
From this orientation, purpose is articulated, and values and principles are formulated and from these develop the laws(ethics/morality)
Law(formulation of ethical/moral values into rules/regulations) requires a methodology. Some considerations in the development of methodology are---Qiyas (Analogical reasoning (of sources)), Ijtihad (Creative reasoning) Ijma/Shura (Consideration of consensus/majority) Istislah (consideration of public interest/public good), and Urf (consideration of traditions, customs)
Modern, secular societies tend to separate ethics/morality from law. This means that ethics/morality are only "values" (abstracts) implemented mainly (and randomly) through social pressure....?.....
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Originally posted by pancreasman View PostYou have been asked to leave the thread. Tweb rules allow the OP to do this. You agreed to the rules when you signed up.
When I said alcohol was the devil(which is where the "get out" thread came from) I had just deleted an entire duplicate post that he had no knowledge of.
If he still wants to banish me, I shall accept this judgment.
Although, I say alcohol is the devil in jest, truly, my best bud is Jameson :)
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Originally posted by Pytharchimedes View PostWhere art thou Jaecp? Let us speak of the dismemberment of human fetuses whilst they remain in the womb, since you feel so strongly about it, or do you? what do you really think? Tell me!
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Where art thou Jaecp? Let us speak of the dismemberment of human fetuses whilst they remain in the womb, since you feel so strongly about it, or do you? what do you really think? Tell me!
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God guide us both, for he is with us both, if he even exists.
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostGet out of my thread.
Random Spam? That is the epitome of your transactions on this site...lets move on to some substance.
I am ready and willing.Last edited by Pytharchimedes; 05-07-2015, 12:16 AM.
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostI literally have no idea what you mean
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alcohol is the devil :P it causes me much forgetfulness... hehLast edited by Pytharchimedes; 05-07-2015, 12:13 AM.
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostPytharchimedes, can you condense your posting? 3 in a row fills the thread up with spam, like that video, which has no relation to the topic at hand. I'd rather we didn't post off topic graphics and such here.
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Pytharchimedes, can you condense your posting? 3 in a row fills the thread up with spam, like that video, which has no relation to the topic at hand. I'd rather we didn't post off topic graphics and such here.
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Originally posted by Jaecp View PostYes, obviously firefox didn't fall out of the sky.
Let us both speak honestly.
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