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AR Cop Sued for Flipping Pregnant Woman’s SUV B/C She Didn’t Pull Over Fast Enough
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
It's in the OP, but after reading it again, I'd say it's boilerplate written a while ago and not tailored to this particular case.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
I think they are trained this way. It's the "militarization of police" problem. Maybe not specifically in how he initiated the maneuver, but they're trained to be aggressive and treat citizens like their the enemy. Check out this video...
(warning there is objectionable language)
Yeah, he's being uncooperative, but listen how they talk to this guy. Like authoritative robots. "You're fixing to ride the lightening, son"? I mean, what is that? I think the problem is that a lot of these guys are ex-vets and they think they're still in Fallujah dealing with terrorist insurgents.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
It's certainly a textbook case of why we need to end qualified immunity for cops.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNone of this seems applicable here. She wasn't "pull[ing] away at a high rate of speed, wildly driving, dangerously passing other vehicles" etc. And this bit leaves out the part about having to immediately pull over when it is safe to do so.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Right. It looks like they pulled out their generic response for when people complain about PIT maneuvers.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis all seems lawyer inspired. It is like they were told to admit nothing for fear it might open the door to a whole lot of lawsuits or something. A let 'em prove it in court approach
I am betting they settle.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
The deep pockets are the state police. So any lawsuit is going to go after the state police and the state itself. seems to me that by trying to justify the cop's use of the pit maneuver, the state police is unintentionally saying they are responsible for his actions. The fact that there is evidence that they have advised motorists to turn on their flashers and keep left until it is safe to pull over makes their defense of his actions even dumber. That's why I said she is gonna win big. All they have to show is that it was dangerous for her to pull over (or even that she believed that) and followed the SP's advice and then show that the police has a dangerous policy in place to pit maneuver motorists who don't pull over immediately but are not fleeing.
I am betting they settle.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I am assuming "Ride the lightning" is referring to being tazed. I have no problem with cops being authoritative, that's their job. You won't get cooperation from an uncooperative person by being nice to them. If they are being combative or uncooperative, then the officer has to take charge.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis all seems lawyer inspired. It is like they were told to admit nothing for fear it might open the door to a whole lot of lawsuits or something. A let 'em prove it in court approachSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Which, from a purely legal perspective, is precisely the right thing to do. Publicly admitting guilt basically hands the plaintiff a blank check, which nobody ever wants to do. Let the lawyers fight it out and determine a "fair" settlement.
Normally I don't cite TV shows as examples, but this episode stirred up a debate at the time about whether that was true -- and apparently it was.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
Totally disagree. In this situation, when it was obvious he wasn't a threat (since they wouldn't have approached his window), do you act like a human being and talk to the guy, or do you keep acting like a authoritative nazi? You can certainly choose the latter but then the consequence of that is causing a large segment of society to turn against you and view as an enemy instead of a civil servant. Then if that happens, your job becomes much more complicated and riskier.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I don't know what the initial reason for pulling him over was, but at the beginning the guy says they are doing a felony stop. Not some traffic violation. They only approached the window with their guns drawn. Despite repeatedly being told (and one of the officers even pleaded with him) he refused to follow the officer's orders to get out of the car. I see nothing wrong with how they handled him. All he had to do was get out of the car like they asked him to.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I don't know what the initial reason for pulling him over was, but at the beginning the guy says they are doing a felony stop. Not some traffic violation. They only approached the window with their guns drawn. Despite repeatedly being told (and one of the officers even pleaded with him) he refused to follow the officer's orders to get out of the car. I see nothing wrong with how they handled him. All he had to do was get out of the car like they asked him to."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
The officer that approached the window had a taser not a gun, so obviously the driver wasn't a threat, unless the officer is an idiot. Like I said, as a cop you can certainly choose to approach it with that type of aggression where it's not necessary. But then you risk the public's scorn as a consequence. The left already views cops as enemies (for the wrong reasons), so the objective would be to not increase that animosity where it's not necessary.
You also have no idea what they might have found in his truck after arresting him. He could have had a weapon in there. Buying time till he could grab it and shoot his way out or drive off. All we know is what the clip shows. Unless you some other information?
here is a video of a pretty similar situation, with the police trying and trying to be polite, but the guy not cooperating, finally they get aggressive and pepper spray him, and try to drag him out of the car, and while pepper sprayed, the suspect still manages to grab a gun and shoot both officers. Things can turn around in a split second. And being nice doesn't work if the guy doesn't want to cooperate.
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