Confirmations of the New Testament

[One Bad Pig]

Whole sale changes? There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence that any of the gospels were written at the time of Jesus Christ by eye witnesses.

No, they were written about a generation later. There is also no objective verifiable evidence that any of the gospels were NOT written by eyewitnesses.

Simply, again . . . the historians cited at the time were giving third hand accounts, and yes the accounts by Josephus are obviously edited, and added. We have no originals of Josephus's works. The argument in the video is that the third hand accounts provided by the historians and others are evidence for the gospels being written as first hand eye witness accounts of the life of Jesus, and of course, as with all history, historians will not accept this. When correlated with archaeological evidence contemporary historians will support a degree of reliability. There are absolutely no archaeological evidence. first hand accounts, nor writings made for the life of Jesus, dated to the time he lived.

Get back to me when you can set a reasonable standard for evidence (and accurately portray what you're citing, while you're at it). Yours tosses out nearly all of recorded history.

[shunyadragon]

Ooh, hand waving at length! More better!

It is important that the NT be recognized as factually accurate and in line with what historians of the period wrote, because that calls into serious question the allegation that people freely made wholesale changes to the text until the fourth century. Historians writing at third hand is immaterial given their independence from the NT record. Do you have a legitimate point to make somewhere?

Whole sale changes? There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence that any of the gospels were written at the time of Jesus Christ by eye witnesses. Simply, again . . . the historians cited at the time were giving third hand accounts, and yes the accounts by Josephus are obviously edited, and added. We have no originals of Josephus's works. The argument in the video is that the third hand accounts provided by the historians and others are evidence for the gospels being written as first hand eye witness accounts of the life of Jesus, and of course, as with all history, historians will not accept this. When correlated with archaeological evidence contemporary historians will support a degree of reliability. There are absolutely no archaeological evidence. first hand accounts, nor writings made for the life of Jesus, dated to the time he lived.

[One Bad Pig]

I have listened to the video, and yes all the points brought up in the video have been addressed in other threads throughout the history of Tweb. Again, it is recognized that the Bible is set in history, and historical accuracy of some facts does not make the NT a first recorded and witnessed account of the life of Jesus.

All the historians cited recorded third hand information. This is well known.

Ooh, hand waving at length! More better!

It is important that the NT be recognized as factually accurate and in line with what historians of the period wrote, because that calls into serious question the allegation that people freely made wholesale changes to the text until the fourth century. Historians writing at third hand is immaterial given their independence from the NT record. Do you have a legitimate point to make somewhere?

[Cow Poke]

I have listened to the video...

But did you watch the audio?

[shunyadragon]

And it cannot confirm the *theological* claims of the NT, which are what really matter. It is small gain to know that Pontius Pilate occupied the position assigned him by the NT, if the theological claims of the NT are not true. It is their truth that is of crucial importance.

OK from the perspective of the believer, but not the subject of the thread.

[shunyadragon]

So, handwave followed by handwave. Keep up the good fight, shunya.

I have listened to the video, and yes all the points brought up in the video have been addressed in other threads throughout the history of Tweb. Again, it is recognized that the Bible is set in history, and historical accuracy of some facts does not make the NT a first recorded and witnessed account of the life of Jesus.

All the historians cited recorded third hand information. This is well known.

[Rushing Jaws]

I will take a close look, but all this has been here before, but it is understood by all that the Bible is set in history and contains historical facts like all ancient documents. It does not lead to the conclusion that the NT was written by eye witnesses.

And it cannot confirm the *theological* claims of the NT, which are what really matter. It is small gain to know that Pontius Pilate occupied the position assigned him by the NT, if the theological claims of the NT are not true. It is their truth that is of crucial importance.

[Teallaura]

Presupposition is not disproof.

[lee_merrill]

Well, you need to address the points made in the video that the NT was written by eyewitnesses.

The historical writings of China are considered more accurate than the West...

Yet Luke has been proven over and over again to be an accurate historian. And does China show that the NT is inaccurate? No.

Blessings,
Lee

[One Bad Pig]

So, handwave followed by handwave. Keep up the good fight, shunya.

[shunyadragon]

The historical writings of China are considered more accurate than the West, including a very accurate description and dating and description of the greatest catastrophic river flood in Chinese history before written records were known, but they still report dragons, and supernatural occurrences.

[shunyadragon]

I will take a close look, but all this has been here before, but it is understood by all that the Bible is set in history and contains historical facts like all ancient documents. It does not lead to the conclusion that the NT was written by eye witnesses.

[lee_merrill]

This video covers evidence that the New Testament is written accurately by eyewitnesses, confirmed by secular writers, archaeology, and cultural details that we know about from other sources. For example, it discusses the authenticity of the ossuary of James, the brother of Jesus, and the accuracy of saying 4 drachmas equals one shekel.

Blessings,
Lee