Hello Pentecost,
Just providing a bit of "friendly" fire. Please feel free to return fire :-}
Hmmm! I had in mind what Jesus promised at John 14:16-18, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15. these texts directly refer to the Parakletos whom Jesus would ask his Father to send, and whom Jesus would onforward. Jesus declared the Parakletos the Holy Spirit whom the Father would send in his name to teach the disciples all things, and bring all things to their remembrance (John 14:26).
On the basis of John 14:26, I find your appeal to John 20:21 as a response to my question a bit of a worry. Especially given vs22-23 "So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you. And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".
Hmmm! I think I can understand why you pointed to John 20:21, especially given the preaching and nurturing roles of the disciples, but I am unaware of the Parakletos having the role of arbitrary judgement as Jesus granted the disciples (vs23 - a topic for another thread). A major defect is that while the disciples were in similitude to Jesus in as much as they were sent into the world, the disciples were not sent by the Father as Jesus said would happen with the Parakletos, but directly by Jesus without the Father's direct participation (cp. John 17:18). Another major defect is that unlike the disciples, the Parakletos was not sent into the world, but was sent to the disciples and those who would come to believe in Jesus through the disciples preaching activity (cp. John 14:16-17; 17:20).
You might think I am being pedantic, but I consider attention to detail essential in revealing the truth (cp. John 8:32 "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free").
Hmmm! Your answer to my first question via John 20:21 makes me wonder.
The disciples were definitely a group of hypostases (people), but the Parakletos is a unique hypostasis (person). So instead of giving an affirmative answer in the singular as is required, by referring to the disciples, your answer was plural, so you actually avoided the question. Same problem with your implied response to the second part of the question.
Pedantry aside: Whether or not the disciples were transient prosopa is questionable given "[God] is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." (cp. Luke 20:38). I'll have to work on the second part of the question, as it stands it can be affirmed by reference to anyone who has secured salvation.
Just providing a bit of "friendly" fire. Please feel free to return fire :-}
Originally posted by Pentecost
On the basis of John 14:26, I find your appeal to John 20:21 as a response to my question a bit of a worry. Especially given vs22-23 "So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you. And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained".
Hmmm! I think I can understand why you pointed to John 20:21, especially given the preaching and nurturing roles of the disciples, but I am unaware of the Parakletos having the role of arbitrary judgement as Jesus granted the disciples (vs23 - a topic for another thread). A major defect is that while the disciples were in similitude to Jesus in as much as they were sent into the world, the disciples were not sent by the Father as Jesus said would happen with the Parakletos, but directly by Jesus without the Father's direct participation (cp. John 17:18). Another major defect is that unlike the disciples, the Parakletos was not sent into the world, but was sent to the disciples and those who would come to believe in Jesus through the disciples preaching activity (cp. John 14:16-17; 17:20).
You might think I am being pedantic, but I consider attention to detail essential in revealing the truth (cp. John 8:32 "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free").
Originally posted by Pentecost
The disciples were definitely a group of hypostases (people), but the Parakletos is a unique hypostasis (person). So instead of giving an affirmative answer in the singular as is required, by referring to the disciples, your answer was plural, so you actually avoided the question. Same problem with your implied response to the second part of the question.
Pedantry aside: Whether or not the disciples were transient prosopa is questionable given "[God] is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him." (cp. Luke 20:38). I'll have to work on the second part of the question, as it stands it can be affirmed by reference to anyone who has secured salvation.
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