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Notable Quote Derail: Joel Osteen Word of Faith.

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  • Notable Quote Derail: Joel Osteen Word of Faith.

    Originally posted by Anastasia Dragule View Post
    For death is no more than a turning of us over from time to eternity.
    William Penn

    You can change your world by changing your words... Remember, death and life are in the power of the tongue.
    Joel Osteen

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    Joel's statement is basically a rephrasing of the basic principle of James 3:5-6.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      Joel's statement is basically a rephrasing of the basic principle of James 3:5-6.
      Isn't Joel Osteen one who leans towards to "Word of Faith" type stuff? He might be referencing James 3, but I'm thinking he might have meant something very different.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
        Isn't Joel Osteen one who leans towards to "Word of Faith" type stuff? He might be referencing James 3, but I'm thinking he might have meant something very different.
        Yes. His output is terrible but it doesn't mean everything he says is automatically wrong. He's not wrong about God's existence, for starters.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          Yes. His output is terrible but it doesn't mean everything he says is automatically wrong. He's not wrong about God's existence, for starters.
          I think you misunderstand me. Definitions and understandings are important. That quote looks like Joel's attempt to support a "word of faith" understanding by rephrasing what's in James 3.

          Oh, and Mormons and Muslims aren't wrong about God existing, but I'm certainly going to be wary of their definitions(like Muslims and "Messiah"), and usage of Biblical passages.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            Yes. His output is terrible but it doesn't mean everything he says is automatically wrong. He's not wrong about God's existence, for starters.
            And a broken clock is still right twice a day, but it's pretty much unreliable for telling the actual truth about time.....


            Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
              I think you misunderstand me. Definitions and understandings are important. That quote looks like Joel's attempt to support a "word of faith" understanding by rephrasing what's in James 3.

              Oh, and Mormons and Muslims aren't wrong about God existing, but I'm certainly going to be wary of their definitions(like Muslims and "Messiah"), and usage of Biblical passages.
              That is absolutely what Osteen is saying.


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              • #8
                Yep, Joel is GREAT at taking a scripture out of context, or slightly misquoting it, to support his "everybody needs to love me and send me money / buy my books" theology.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #9
                  His name sounds like a toothpaste commercial!
                  If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                  • #10
                    I knew his Dad - he used to be a great guy, then kinda went off the reservation. Then, when John died, Mrs Osteen ordained and crowned Joel to take over the empire.
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      He looks like a used car salesman, and seems about as trustworthy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                        His name sounds like a toothpaste commercial!
                        His face looks like a toothpaste commercial.
                        ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                        • #13
                          My ex in-laws are quite obsessed with him. However after 2 failed self business startup attempts my ex father in law has had to go back to work because money cannot be spoken into existence and my ex mother in law still believes God will miraculously heal her son so that he will suddenly be able to function in society. Its really sad.
                          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                          George Bernard Shaw

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                          • #14
                            I used to be on a music message board (incidentally, where I met Rayado, who brought me here), and there was a teenage girl on there who attended Osteen's church. She acted nauseatingly happy all the time - yet was very judgmental. Somebody started a thread asking what the best songs about death were (not in a morbid way, of course), and she reproached everybody for talking about death instead of life. It was pointed out that Shakespeare wrote quite a bit about death and negative emotions as well, and she just threw Shakespeare under the bus. I then pointed out that Lamentations was not exactly positive in nature either - and got no reply.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #15
                              I actually know a girl whose home church is the Osteen church. I commented on a pic she posted once but never got a response.

                              "Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
                              "I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
                              Katniss Everdeen


                              Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.

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