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Originally posted by 37818 View Post. . . begotten of the Father before all ages. . . .
How is this part of that creed not extra Biblical? What Holy Scriptures is it based?
Now I agree that the only-begotten Son was not begotten and not made being the one and the same God with His Father, not being the same Persons in being the one and the same God.
Reason being that God is not begotten and not made.
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Also, I would add that if you hold to the teaching that the Son is the Wisdom of the Father (which there is plenty of support for), then the teaching of the eternal generation of the Son follows logically from that.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostIf memory services, this is one of the differences between Orthodox and Western Christology
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Originally posted by 37818 View Post. . . begotten of the Father before all ages. . . .
How is this part of that creed not extra Biblical? What Holy Scriptures is it based?
The footnotes for the HSCB translation of this verse at biblegateway.com gives the following alternatives for the word 'expression' in Heb 1:3;
Representation, copy or reproduction.
But in any case, if this verse is interpreted literally, then the Son, by virtue of being the expression, copy or reproduction of the Fathers nature must owe his eternal existence to the father, by logical necessity. If the Son is not begotten of the Father, but exists self-sufficiently, then he cannot be said to be the expression of God's/the Father's nature in any meaningful sense.
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Originally posted by 37818 View Post. . . begotten of the Father before all ages. . . .
How is this part of that creed not extra Biblical? What Holy Scriptures is it based?
Now I agree that the only-begotten Son was not begotten and not made being the one and the same God with His Father, not being the same Persons in being the one and the same God.
Reason being that God is not begotten and not made.
For the record, I recognize Orthodox Christians has being Christian.
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Derail from Orthodox Anathema Service on Christology
. . . begotten of the Father before all ages. . . .
How is this part of that creed not extra Biblical? What Holy Scriptures is it based?
Now I agree that the only-begotten Son was not begotten and not made being the one and the same God with His Father, not being the same Persons in being the one and the same God.
Reason being that God is not begotten and not made.Tags: None
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