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As far as demons appearing as aliens, I'm agnostic about it. Maybe.
As far as other aliens in the universe, I can't think of anything in the Bible that would preclude it. There might be. Then again, if there are, I'm pretty darn sure that they don't visit us, and that we'll never know about them (or them us).
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Originally posted by ikaika777 View PostThey don't have mortal flesh or else they wouldn't be in the spirit realm doing "spiritual warfare".
He did ask permission to attack Job. We know angels don't marry. Matthew 22:30 (NASB)
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
So, I don't believe the Nephlim were fallen angels who had sex with humans.
LOL! Could be.
What do you make of this verse, is it talking about something other than Noah's time?
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostI've seen some suggest that's what Satan/demons look like when cast out of Heaven, they are no longer immortal spirit, but made mortal flesh as a punishment. Others suggest that Satan wants to deceive humans into believing that demons are aliens with advanced technology and ability to bring end of war/pollution/etc. to the earth so that humans will look to them as gods, instead of God.
They don't have mortal flesh or else they wouldn't be in the spirit realm doing "spiritual warfare".
Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostThe premise suggests God allows it as He may have allowed angels to take wives in Noah's time, if they in fact were angels in flesh.
He did ask permission to attack Job. We know angels don't marry. Matthew 22:30 (NASB)
"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
So, I don't believe the Nephlim were fallen angels who had sex with humans.
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LOL! Could be.Last edited by ikaika777; 01-28-2014, 04:31 AM.
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Originally posted by ikaika777 View PostWhy would angels take on the form of 4 foot tall gray/green beings with large heads and huge funny shaped eyes, and why would they need to fly around in spaceships?
Originally posted by ikaika777 View PostOn top of that, I don't think angels can do anything without God's permission.
Originally posted by ikaika777 View PostAnd what's up with the anal probing obsession?
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Why would angels take on the form of 4 foot tall gray/green beings with large heads and huge funny shaped eyes, and why would they need to fly around in spaceships? On top of that, I don't think angels can do anything without God's permission. And what's up with the anal probing obsession? Short answer? No aliens.Last edited by ikaika777; 01-27-2014, 07:59 AM.
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Originally posted by Duragizer View PostPresuming angels exist, they would be aliens the same way Lovecraftian deities are aliens -- ie. extradimensional entities that exist beyond the conventional universe, and as such, beyond human comprehension -- not aliens like E.T., who have corporeal forms and live on other planets.
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Originally posted by JohnnyP View PostThat's my position, possible that angels could be considered alien life forms, but who knows.
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAnd the fact that any alien life would have to be more or less the same age as earth life. Until third generation stars there would not be enough heavy elements to support life, let alone get it started.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe lack of any evidence of aliens nor alien technology makes any such claims anecdotal at best, and most likely meaningless.
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Originally posted by iTeluog View PostAll of these things are POSSIBLE, yes. But whether these things are PROBABLE might be a different story.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe lack of any evidence of aliens nor alien technology makes any such claims anecdotal at best, and most likely meaningless.
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The lack of any evidence of aliens nor alien technology makes any such claims anecdotal at best, and most likely meaningless.
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All of these things are POSSIBLE, yes. But whether these things are PROBABLE might be a different story.
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Aliens = angels & demons?
[ATTACH=CONFIG]130[/ATTACH] The movie has generated enormous interest because it seems, some say, to be based on the Book of Ezekiel, and the plot fulfills prophecies about the end of the world, visitation by aliens, wheels with wheels, and so on. I'm not as expert on Ezekiel as I should be, but I can see the parallels -- especially since it has been pointed out to me that the figures at the end might be angels, might be aliens, or might be one resembling the other.
-"Knowing" movie review by Roger Ebert.
Related question, does the Bible and God's Plan in it have any room for aliens and beings not living on earth? Or are we it?
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