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What the gospel truly says of salvation....

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    For cryin out loud, he STOPPED TRYING TO KILL CHRISTIANS and DESTROY CHRISTIANITY!!!!
    I say the same thing to whosoever preach a different gospel. And it is hard to convince people who abandoned reason, altogether.



    Yeah, James has a few things to say about that.
    Sure, if you can justify yourself with faith and works, go ahead. As I said, do not confuse the law of works given by the apostles as a law of faith. Mixing them together is polygamy.

    Just remember what Paul said, "BEFORE faith comes, we are given the law."




    Or the FARTHINESS of the BIRD.
    Watch out how you behave....

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    Repentance is considered "work." It comes from our own willing. Look at Paul, was he repentant when he was called? NO.
    For cryin out loud, he STOPPED TRYING TO KILL CHRISTIANS and DESTROY CHRISTIANITY!!!!

    The job of a true preacher is to differentiate what is "of works" and what is "of faith," which are both present in the Old and New Testaments.
    Yeah, James has a few things to say about that.

    One cannot discern the difference simply because they do not know the "MYSTERY" of the gospel, or the mystery of salvation.
    Or the FARTHINESS of the BIRD.

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You claim to know what "the gospel" "truly says," but you don't quote from "the Gospels" at all.... you know... that "repent" thing, among others?
    Repentance is considered "work." It comes from our own willing. Look at Paul, was he repentant when he was called? NO.

    Yet one, who is called, will be changed into the image of God through God's own works. Such as what happened to Paul.



    Paul said, "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed." So, do not mistake the law of works given by the apostles to be laws of faith.

    The truth is, the salvation through faith was already mentioned in the Old Testament(Heb 4:2). Note how Paul uses the OT to show that those who are under the law is cursed (Gal 3:10, Deut 27:26). Christ himself taught the very principle of faith from the OT (Matt 19:4-6). In fact, the very word of faith is contained in the law(Rom 9:30-33); note also what God said unto the OT fathers in Deut 30:11-14, and then explained by Paul is Rom 10:6-8.

    The job of a true preacher is to differentiate what is "of works" and what is "of faith," which are both present in the Old and New Testaments. One cannot discern the difference simply because they do not know the "MYSTERY" of the gospel, or the mystery of salvation.

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  • Jedidiah
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    The Bird's gospel seems to forget about the revealed mystery of all TOGETHER under Christ.

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  • Cow Poke
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    You claim to know what "the gospel" "truly says," but you don't quote from "the Gospels" at all.... you know... that "repent" thing, among others?

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  • FarEastBird
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    What the gospel truly says of salvation....

    What the gospel truly says of salvation is that it is completely the work of God.

    1. The demonstration of the death of Christ for our sin includes people of the old testament who have never heard of the gospel, or of the truth. Thus, knowledge of the gospel is not by itself the guide to determine who are saved. The gospel simply informs us who is saved and is not saved; even to know the gospel is God's work.

    2. Unforgivable sin is a sin that is directly against God's work. Peter's objection of Christ's prophesied suffering will account as an unforgivable sin. See also the real reason why Ananias and Saphira were condemned of unforgivable sin; regardless how small their sin is compared to others. Note also the sin of David in numbering Israel. Numbering Israel seem not a sin because numbering Israel is actually a way to manage Israel. The lesson numbering Israel is a sin is because God implies in his promise that it is God who will sustain the kingdom, not David. And also we see Paul, who himself had killed Christians, yet Christ called him to be his minister to the Gentiles; not by works, nor by man's will, was Paul called to salvation.

    3. The gospel plainly tells us that all things works good "only" for the elect (Romans 8:28-30) . It does not say that the works of God will help the believers, rather, those who are elect are determined and were predestinated to be so.

    4. The 7 holy days of Israel is a shadow of the God's work of salvation. We aim to partake in the fulfillment of the 3 remaining holy days, yet it is beyond any man's ability and will, to know and thus partake in God's work.
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