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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    You can surely speak out of your own understanding. But I would rather advise you to search the prophesies.
    Why? You've got the super decoder ring.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    Those are parts of knowing the mystery of salvation; part of the conclusion that our salvation is God's work.
    That's why we don't have to know some secret code in the prophecies to be saved. Jesus did all the work for salvation. We just accept that and as a result of being saved, we do good works. Not to earn salvation, but out of gratitude for what Christ did for us.

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    The signs said that you are saying horse manure. It's like the reverse of the ad populum fallacy.
    You can surely speak out of your own understanding. But I would rather advise you to search the prophesies.

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    No. I refer to the fact that there is no difference in Christ between Jew and Gentile.

    Ephesians 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility

    Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
    Those are parts of knowing the mystery of salvation; part of the conclusion that our salvation is God's work.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    I searched myself, not just by reading, but asked God of signs. You should ask God of signs for yourself.
    The signs said that you are saying horse manure. It's like the reverse of the ad populum fallacy.

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, go stand in front of the mirror, and start saying, because YOU, FEB, are preaching a different gospel!
    I searched myself, not just by reading, but asked God of signs. You should ask God of signs for yourself.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    ...and the apostasy of the believers
    What verse do you base this claim on?

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    The core of the problem on this is that you would not know either, even if I tell you the truth. I appeal that men should judge fairly yet people hang unto beliefs/doctrines that are unclear as guide/rule to salvation.

    The truth of the matter is that the secrets of God are hidden, and this is for the purpose that those who can decode those secrets will be the rulers of the heavens (Prov 25:2).

    Now, there is, of course, a problem for the hearers to determine those who truly understand the secrets of God because these hearers are ignorant, and are subject to be taught. And some are simply called not to have the full comprehension of the mystery of God. And God's remedy to this is that those in authority will come according to the prophecies, or that these authorities are prophets themselves. Thus, Christ's testimony as being true is supported by the fulfillment of prophecies about him, and of the fulfillment of the prophecies he foretold/revealed.

    There was blindness of the Jews, and the apostasy of the believers, and the famine of the word of God, in the prophecies. If you do not know about those things, then you would not know anything about the truth of the gospel.

    Knowledge of truth should come with understanding the prophesies. The knowledge of the mystery of God is beyond human knowledge and understanding, that is why God's demonstration is needed. Thus, the gospel itself is pointing unto the works of God in Christ, and throughout Israel's history.
    Who made you king? Proverbs is talking about discovering all the cool stuff God made(e.g. science) not the gospel. That wasn't there yet and the gospel isn't a secret. We sinned, seperating ourselves from God. God the Son became a human and died for our and rose again so that all who believe can be with Him for eternity. If it was supposed to be a secret, it needs a few more glasses and domino masks.

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    What's your proof? How do you know you're in the elect, know-it-all? How do you know the Holy Spirit is what is communicating with you You must study the scriptures in the context of the place and time when they were written. But that's not needed for salvation.
    The core of the problem on this is that you would not know either, even if I tell you the truth. I appeal that men should judge fairly yet people hang unto beliefs/doctrines that are unclear as guide/rule to salvation.

    The truth of the matter is that the secrets of God are hidden, and this is for the purpose that those who can decode those secrets will be the rulers of the heavens (Prov 25:2).

    Now, there is, of course, a problem for the hearers to determine those who truly understand the secrets of God because these hearers are ignorant, and are subject to be taught. And some are simply called not to have the full comprehension of the mystery of God. And God's remedy to this is that those in authority will come according to the prophecies, or that these authorities are prophets themselves. Thus, Christ's testimony as being true is supported by the fulfillment of prophecies about him, and of the fulfillment of the prophecies he foretold/revealed.

    There was blindness of the Jews, and the apostasy of the believers, and the famine of the word of God, in the prophecies. If you do not know about those things, then you would not know anything about the truth of the gospel.

    Knowledge of truth should come with understanding the prophesies. The knowledge of the mystery of God is beyond human knowledge and understanding, that is why God's demonstration is needed. Thus, the gospel itself is pointing unto the works of God in Christ, and throughout Israel's history.

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  • Jedidiah
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    If you are talking about that we are saved according to God's purpose in Christ. That is sure is the gospel is about. The gospel is the truth of the "mystery" of our salvation through God's works in Christ by grace, through faith.
    No. I refer to the fact that there is no difference in Christ between Jew and Gentile.

    Ephesians 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility

    Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Or WHAT?!?!?!
    FEB gets his feelings hurt? The voices tell him to do something mean to us?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    Watch out how you behave....
    Or WHAT?!?!?!

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    I say the same thing to whosoever preach a different gospel.
    So, go stand in front of the mirror, and start saying, because YOU, FEB, are preaching a different gospel!

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    If you are talking about that we are saved according to God's purpose in Christ. That is sure is the gospel is about. The gospel is the truth of the "mystery" of our salvation through God's works in Christ by grace, through faith.

    What is your assurance/proof that you are God's workmanship in Christ?
    What's your proof? How do you know you're in the elect, know-it-all? How do you know the Holy Spirit is what is communicating with you You must study the scriptures in the context of the place and time when they were written. But that's not needed for salvation.
    Last edited by Christianbookworm; 10-05-2014, 06:54 PM.

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  • FarEastBird
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    Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
    The Bird's gospel seems to forget about the revealed mystery of all TOGETHER under Christ.
    If you are talking about that we are saved according to God's purpose in Christ. That is sure is the gospel is about. The gospel is the truth of the "mystery" of our salvation through God's works in Christ by grace, through faith.

    What is your assurance/proof that you are God's workmanship in Christ?

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