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  • #31
    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
    So, "your' gospel did not work, and needed some revisions?
    Our gospel does not work, but reveals the work of Jesus Christ. It needs no revision, but it does have to be believed (trusted).
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
      Not merely verses but prophecies. Mainly of the prophesies regarding the blindness of the Jews, for which salvation will come to the Gentiles, and to provoke the Jews to jealousy.
      That was fulfilled with Christ's ministry. Their ultimate apostasy was them rejecting their savior.

      It includes the limited reign of the apostles and disciples unto a thousand years(though not literally a thousand) Rev 20:6.
      Sorry, no. The "thousand years" is preceded by the resurrection of the just.

      It includes the prophesied overcoming of the beast over the saints(Dan 7:21, Rev 13:7, 11:7)). And, also of Amos 8:11-13. Note also of Paul's warning regarding the decay of the Church; warning them with "tears" (Acts 20:29-31).
      These are not verses on apostasy. Especially Dan 7:21 which is nothing more than a greeting to Nebuchadnezzar.

      Christ built the Church among the apostles who are Jews, and that the Jews and Gentiles that believed were under Peter's foundation (Matt 16:18, Act 15:7).
      No. They were under the foundation of the confession of faith, just like Peter made.

      The authority of priesthood was still among the Jews,
      Until the veil was rent and the Old system was superseded by the new and everlasting Priesthood of Christ after the order of Melchizedek. See the Book of Hebrews for why Jesus qualified to be their eternal Priest and King.

      that is why the apostles were preaching unto the Jews "first" (Acts 14:46, 28:20).
      It was because of the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

      Seeing the Church is built among the Jews, it was therefore subject unto apostasy together with the apostles and disciples.
      Utterly false. Apostasy is following after "the man of sin", and the early Jewish believers did no such thing. Their worst offense was to try to make an amalgam of the 2 covenants. Nowhere were they condemned for apostasy for that.

      Thus, Peter spoke of "putting off" his tabernacle (2Pet 2:13).
      2 Peter 2:13 suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you.

      No he didn't. Paul said in Colossians 2:11:

      In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

      But that's the closest thing to what you are claiming.

      And because of the apostasy of the Church,
      There was no apostasy of the Church. Paul links the apostasia with the revealing of the Man of Sin

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


      that the disciples spoke of Gentile elect of God that will believe in the future (Acts 15:14-18, 28:29).
      When the Gentiles would be GRAFTED IN to the existing vine along with the NATURAL branches. The natural branches would still be connected as long as they to believed, which they did.

      Christ himself spoke of calling other believers that were not part of the fold of the apostles and disciples (John 10:16).
      That had absolutely nothing to do with a supposed "Jewish church apostasy".


      So, understand that I did not take it from just a verse.
      And those that you claimed do not speak of what you claim.
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

        That's in the Bible. (hint: in some versions, it's in red letters! )
        What "generation"?
        ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
        ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
        https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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        • #34
          Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
          What "generation"?
          Yours. Ya gonna threaten me again?
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
            Our gospel does not work, but reveals the work of Jesus Christ. It needs no revision, but it does have to be believed (trusted).
            Why would anyone believe your gospel that does not work?

            If I will believe it will not work, then it will work?
            ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
            ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
            https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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            • #36
              Welcome to Unorthodox Theology, FEB... you can be as weird as you like.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                Why would anyone believe your gospel that does not work?

                If I will believe it will not work, then it will work?
                I am sorry, you are not able to read English???
                Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                  I am sorry, you are not able to read English???
                  I honestly think FEB has a problem with English, but when I asked him that question very politely, I don't think he understood.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    That was fulfilled with Christ's ministry. Their ultimate apostasy was them rejecting their savior.
                    You have to note that the prophecy of blindness was "of Israel", not "SOME of Israel"

                    Try to discern what Paul was saying in Romans 11:1-5.

                    In the fall would only happen to some, then it would not make sense why would salvation come to the Gentiles. God's promise was that salvation would only belong to the Jews; read what Christ said in John 4:22. If the Jews would not fall, God will become unjust for saving the Gentiles. The fall of the Jews is the reason why God's election is by grace.

                    Obviously, you are not aware of the truth that is being demonstrated in the gospel. One aim of the gospel is to reveal the righteousness of God; through His works(Rom 1:17, 20).
                    ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                    ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                    https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                      I am sorry, you are not able to read English???
                      Maybe try to explain to me this your words:

                      "Our gospel does not work, but reveals the work of Jesus Christ.



                      1). Do you mean that the gospel, which you say reveals the work of Jesus Christ, does not work?

                      or,

                      2). The gospel, which is the work of Jesus Christ, does not work, unless you believe it?


                      I preferred to take 2), but when I asked you about the cults who believed your gospel, their belief of your gospel failed, or perhaps your requirement was incomplete and not effective.

                      Or, if you want to explain to me how your gospel works in other ways/terms, please do so.
                      ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                      ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                      https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Yours. Ya gonna threaten me again?
                        No need. Except for those who are being unreasonable, I am confident you can't deceive with your answer.
                        ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                        ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                        https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                          No need. Except for those who are being unreasonable, I am confident you can't deceive with your answer.
                          I'm confident you're about a dozen puppies short of a pet shop.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            I honestly think FEB has a problem with English, but when I asked him that question very politely, I don't think he understood.
                            Google translate? Because that would explain a lot...
                            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                              Google translate? Because that would explain a lot...
                              Interesting!

                              Years ago, our Mexican Missionary -- a young lady -- came to visit, and at THAT time, my Spanish wasn't so good and her English wasn't so good, so we used my laptop computer with a translation program -- long before Google Translate -- and each typed, then translated... for the MOST part it worked pretty well, until she started telling me that her Potato was very ill ---- we figured out the program was translating "papa" as "potato" instead of "father".

                              But the REAL hilarity came when she was trying to express the joy in her heart, and the program translated it "happy in my groin".

                              We worked it out, but it made for some very interesting conversations.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                                You have to note that the prophecy of blindness was "of Israel", not "SOME of Israel"
                                And YOU have to note what Paul says about God ALWAYS keeping a remnant of Israel to Himself. You err and do not know the scriptures. See Romans 9

                                27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel:
                                “Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea,
                                only the remnant will be saved.


                                Try to discern what Paul was saying in Romans 11:1-5.

                                I know what Paul is saying. And I know the context. Your salad bar approach can't account for the remnant of Romans 9

                                In the fall would only happen to some, then it would not make sense why would salvation come to the Gentiles.
                                Rubbish! It was God's plan all along to include the Gentiles in the house of faith. The promise of redemption was made to the offspring of Adam and Eve.

                                God's promise was that salvation would only belong to the Jews; read what Christ said in John 4:22.
                                Nope. He said that it would come FROM the Jews, meaning Jesus was a Jew. And as the inheritor of the promise of the firstborn due to Esau's selling it, the Jews would receive first rights to salvation before the Gentiles would be allowed.

                                Romans 1:16

                                For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.


                                If the Jews would not fall, God will become unjust for saving the Gentiles. The fall of the Jews is the reason why God's election is by grace.
                                No. It has always been by grace that we are saved through faith. See Hebrews 11.


                                Obviously, you are not aware of the truth that is being demonstrated in the gospel.
                                I am fully aware. It's you who is out in left field.

                                One aim of the gospel is to reveal the righteousness of God; through His works(Rom 1:17, 20).
                                And that has nothing to do with the entire Jewish race apostatizing.
                                That's what
                                - She

                                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                                - Stephen R. Donaldson

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