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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, go stand in front of the mirror, and start saying, because YOU, FEB, are preaching a different gospel!
    I searched myself, not just by reading, but asked God of signs. You should ask God of signs for yourself.
    ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
    ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
    https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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    • #17
      Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
      I searched myself, not just by reading, but asked God of signs. You should ask God of signs for yourself.
      The signs said that you are saying horse manure. It's like the reverse of the ad populum fallacy.
      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
        No. I refer to the fact that there is no difference in Christ between Jew and Gentile.

        Ephesians 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility

        Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
        Those are parts of knowing the mystery of salvation; part of the conclusion that our salvation is God's work.
        ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
        ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
        https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
          The signs said that you are saying horse manure. It's like the reverse of the ad populum fallacy.
          You can surely speak out of your own understanding. But I would rather advise you to search the prophesies.
          ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
          ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
          https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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          • #20
            Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
            Those are parts of knowing the mystery of salvation; part of the conclusion that our salvation is God's work.
            That's why we don't have to know some secret code in the prophecies to be saved. Jesus did all the work for salvation. We just accept that and as a result of being saved, we do good works. Not to earn salvation, but out of gratitude for what Christ did for us.
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
              You can surely speak out of your own understanding. But I would rather advise you to search the prophesies.
              Why? You've got the super decoder ring.
              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                What verse do you base this claim on?
                Not merely verses but prophecies. Mainly of the prophesies regarding the blindness of the Jews, for which salvation will come to the Gentiles, and to provoke the Jews to jealousy. It includes the limited reign of the apostles and disciples unto a thousand years(though not literally a thousand) Rev 20:6. It includes the prophesied overcoming of the beast over the saints(Dan 7:21, Rev 13:7, 11:7)). And, also of Amos 8:11-13. Note also of Paul's warning regarding the decay of the Church; warning them with "tears" (Acts 20:29-31).

                Christ built the Church among the apostles who are Jews, and that the Jews and Gentiles that believed were under Peter's foundation (Matt 16:18, Act 15:7). The authority of priesthood was still among the Jews, that is why the apostles were preaching unto the Jews "first" (Acts 14:46, 28:20). Seeing the Church is built among the Jews, it was therefore subject unto apostasy together with the apostles and disciples. Thus, Peter spoke of "putting off" his tabernacle (2Pet 2:13). And because of the apostasy of the Church, that the disciples spoke of Gentile elect of God that will believe in the future (Acts 15:14-18, 28:29). Christ himself spoke of calling other believers that were not part of the fold of the apostles and disciples (John 10:16).



                So, understand that I did not take it from just a verse.
                Last edited by FarEastBird; 10-05-2014, 10:01 PM.
                ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                  That's why we don't have to know some secret code in the prophecies to be saved. Jesus did all the work for salvation. We just accept that and as a result of being saved, we do good works. Not to earn salvation, but out of gratitude for what Christ did for us.
                  If you are against things that are prophesied, then you are God's enemies.

                  Also, even some cults have accepted "your" gospel, were they saved?
                  ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                  ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                  https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                    Not merely verses but prophecies. Mainly of the prophesies regarding the blindness of the Jews, for which salvation will come to the Gentiles, and to provoke the Jews to jealousy. It includes the limited reign of the apostles and disciples unto a thousand years(though not literally a thousand) Rev 20:6. It includes the prophesied overcoming of the beast over the saints(Dan 7:21, Rev 13:7, 11:7)). And, also of Amos 8:11-13. Note also of Paul's warning regarding the decay of the Church; warning them with "tears" (Acts 20:29-31).

                    Christ built the Church among the apostles who are Jews, and that the Jews and Gentiles that believed were under Peter's foundation (Matt 16:18, Act 15:7). The authority of priesthood was still among the Jews, that is why the apostles were preaching unto the Jews "first" (Acts 14:46, 28:20). Seeing the Church is built among the Jews, it was therefore subject unto apostasy together with the apostles and disciples. Thus, Peter spoke of "putting off" his tabernacle (2Pet 2:13). And because of the apostasy of the Church, that the disciples spoke of Gentile elect of God that will believe in the future (Acts 15:14-18, 28:29). Christ himself spoke of calling other believers that were not part of the fold of the apostles and disciples (John 10:16).



                    So, understand that I did not took it from just a verse.
                    Where'd you get the idea that the Church would apostasize? Israel =/= Church
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                      If you are against things that are prophesied, then you are God's enemies.

                      Also, even some cults have accepted "your" gospel, were they saved?
                      They follow a different Christ. Or tack on extra stuff. Or claim that their group is the only saved group. Sounds familiar. Might want to get a mirror. I'm just against your interpretation that a minor issue is a major eternity threatening issue.
                      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                        Why? You've got the super decoder ring.
                        I got the Spirit.

                        John 16:13
                        13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak:and he will shew you things to come.


                        See what is stated above as a sign of having the Spirit.......
                        Last edited by FarEastBird; 10-05-2014, 10:22 PM.
                        ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                        ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                        https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          They follow a different Christ. Or tack on extra stuff. Or claim that their group is the only saved group. Sounds familiar. Might want to get a mirror. I'm just against your interpretation that a minor issue is a major eternity threatening issue.
                          So, "your' gospel did not work, and needed some revisions?
                          ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                          ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                          https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                            Where'd you get the idea that the Church would apostasize? Israel =/= Church
                            When Christ came, salvation still belongs to the Jews (John 4:22). Note also what Jesus said to the Canaanite woman (Matt 15:26-27). The apostles cannot pass authority of priesthood unto the Gentiles when the Jews do not reject the gospel; this is the reason why the apostles preached to the Jews first. It was needed for the Jews to fall so that salvation would come to the Gentiles. This is a mystery that is a part of the gospel. Without understanding this mystery, you will not be able to comprehend in fullness the mystery of the gospel.
                            Last edited by FarEastBird; 10-05-2014, 10:45 PM.
                            ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                            ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                            https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                              I searched myself, not just by reading, but asked God of signs. You should ask God of signs for yourself.
                              A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

                              That's in the Bible. (hint: in some versions, it's in red letters! )
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                                I got the Spirit.
                                Unfortunately, I don't think the Spirit has you.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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