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  • What the gospel truly says of salvation....

    What the gospel truly says of salvation is that it is completely the work of God.

    1. The demonstration of the death of Christ for our sin includes people of the old testament who have never heard of the gospel, or of the truth. Thus, knowledge of the gospel is not by itself the guide to determine who are saved. The gospel simply informs us who is saved and is not saved; even to know the gospel is God's work.

    2. Unforgivable sin is a sin that is directly against God's work. Peter's objection of Christ's prophesied suffering will account as an unforgivable sin. See also the real reason why Ananias and Saphira were condemned of unforgivable sin; regardless how small their sin is compared to others. Note also the sin of David in numbering Israel. Numbering Israel seem not a sin because numbering Israel is actually a way to manage Israel. The lesson numbering Israel is a sin is because God implies in his promise that it is God who will sustain the kingdom, not David. And also we see Paul, who himself had killed Christians, yet Christ called him to be his minister to the Gentiles; not by works, nor by man's will, was Paul called to salvation.

    3. The gospel plainly tells us that all things works good "only" for the elect (Romans 8:28-30) . It does not say that the works of God will help the believers, rather, those who are elect are determined and were predestinated to be so.

    4. The 7 holy days of Israel is a shadow of the God's work of salvation. We aim to partake in the fulfillment of the 3 remaining holy days, yet it is beyond any man's ability and will, to know and thus partake in God's work.
    ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
    ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
    https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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    You claim to know what "the gospel" "truly says," but you don't quote from "the Gospels" at all.... you know... that "repent" thing, among others?
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #3
      The Bird's gospel seems to forget about the revealed mystery of all TOGETHER under Christ.
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        You claim to know what "the gospel" "truly says," but you don't quote from "the Gospels" at all.... you know... that "repent" thing, among others?
        Repentance is considered "work." It comes from our own willing. Look at Paul, was he repentant when he was called? NO.

        Yet one, who is called, will be changed into the image of God through God's own works. Such as what happened to Paul.



        Paul said, "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed." So, do not mistake the law of works given by the apostles to be laws of faith.

        The truth is, the salvation through faith was already mentioned in the Old Testament(Heb 4:2). Note how Paul uses the OT to show that those who are under the law is cursed (Gal 3:10, Deut 27:26). Christ himself taught the very principle of faith from the OT (Matt 19:4-6). In fact, the very word of faith is contained in the law(Rom 9:30-33); note also what God said unto the OT fathers in Deut 30:11-14, and then explained by Paul is Rom 10:6-8.

        The job of a true preacher is to differentiate what is "of works" and what is "of faith," which are both present in the Old and New Testaments. One cannot discern the difference simply because they do not know the "MYSTERY" of the gospel, or the mystery of salvation.
        ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
        ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
        https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
          Repentance is considered "work." It comes from our own willing. Look at Paul, was he repentant when he was called? NO.
          For cryin out loud, he STOPPED TRYING TO KILL CHRISTIANS and DESTROY CHRISTIANITY!!!!

          The job of a true preacher is to differentiate what is "of works" and what is "of faith," which are both present in the Old and New Testaments.
          Yeah, James has a few things to say about that.

          One cannot discern the difference simply because they do not know the "MYSTERY" of the gospel, or the mystery of salvation.
          Or the FARTHINESS of the BIRD.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            For cryin out loud, he STOPPED TRYING TO KILL CHRISTIANS and DESTROY CHRISTIANITY!!!!
            I say the same thing to whosoever preach a different gospel. And it is hard to convince people who abandoned reason, altogether.



            Yeah, James has a few things to say about that.
            Sure, if you can justify yourself with faith and works, go ahead. As I said, do not confuse the law of works given by the apostles as a law of faith. Mixing them together is polygamy.

            Just remember what Paul said, "BEFORE faith comes, we are given the law."




            Or the FARTHINESS of the BIRD.
            Watch out how you behave....
            ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
            ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
            https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
              The Bird's gospel seems to forget about the revealed mystery of all TOGETHER under Christ.
              If you are talking about that we are saved according to God's purpose in Christ. That is sure is the gospel is about. The gospel is the truth of the "mystery" of our salvation through God's works in Christ by grace, through faith.

              What is your assurance/proof that you are God's workmanship in Christ?
              ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
              ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
              https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                If you are talking about that we are saved according to God's purpose in Christ. That is sure is the gospel is about. The gospel is the truth of the "mystery" of our salvation through God's works in Christ by grace, through faith.

                What is your assurance/proof that you are God's workmanship in Christ?
                What's your proof? How do you know you're in the elect, know-it-all? How do you know the Holy Spirit is what is communicating with you You must study the scriptures in the context of the place and time when they were written. But that's not needed for salvation.
                Last edited by Christianbookworm; 10-05-2014, 07:54 PM.
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                  I say the same thing to whosoever preach a different gospel.
                  So, go stand in front of the mirror, and start saying, because YOU, FEB, are preaching a different gospel!
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                    Watch out how you behave....
                    Or WHAT?!?!?!
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Or WHAT?!?!?!
                      FEB gets his feelings hurt? The voices tell him to do something mean to us?
                      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                        If you are talking about that we are saved according to God's purpose in Christ. That is sure is the gospel is about. The gospel is the truth of the "mystery" of our salvation through God's works in Christ by grace, through faith.
                        No. I refer to the fact that there is no difference in Christ between Jew and Gentile.

                        Ephesians 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility

                        Romans 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          What's your proof? How do you know you're in the elect, know-it-all? How do you know the Holy Spirit is what is communicating with you You must study the scriptures in the context of the place and time when they were written. But that's not needed for salvation.
                          The core of the problem on this is that you would not know either, even if I tell you the truth. I appeal that men should judge fairly yet people hang unto beliefs/doctrines that are unclear as guide/rule to salvation.

                          The truth of the matter is that the secrets of God are hidden, and this is for the purpose that those who can decode those secrets will be the rulers of the heavens (Prov 25:2).

                          Now, there is, of course, a problem for the hearers to determine those who truly understand the secrets of God because these hearers are ignorant, and are subject to be taught. And some are simply called not to have the full comprehension of the mystery of God. And God's remedy to this is that those in authority will come according to the prophecies, or that these authorities are prophets themselves. Thus, Christ's testimony as being true is supported by the fulfillment of prophecies about him, and of the fulfillment of the prophecies he foretold/revealed.

                          There was blindness of the Jews, and the apostasy of the believers, and the famine of the word of God, in the prophecies. If you do not know about those things, then you would not know anything about the truth of the gospel.

                          Knowledge of truth should come with understanding the prophesies. The knowledge of the mystery of God is beyond human knowledge and understanding, that is why God's demonstration is needed. Thus, the gospel itself is pointing unto the works of God in Christ, and throughout Israel's history.
                          ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
                          ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)
                          https://philippinesinprophecies.wordpress.com/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                            The core of the problem on this is that you would not know either, even if I tell you the truth. I appeal that men should judge fairly yet people hang unto beliefs/doctrines that are unclear as guide/rule to salvation.

                            The truth of the matter is that the secrets of God are hidden, and this is for the purpose that those who can decode those secrets will be the rulers of the heavens (Prov 25:2).

                            Now, there is, of course, a problem for the hearers to determine those who truly understand the secrets of God because these hearers are ignorant, and are subject to be taught. And some are simply called not to have the full comprehension of the mystery of God. And God's remedy to this is that those in authority will come according to the prophecies, or that these authorities are prophets themselves. Thus, Christ's testimony as being true is supported by the fulfillment of prophecies about him, and of the fulfillment of the prophecies he foretold/revealed.

                            There was blindness of the Jews, and the apostasy of the believers, and the famine of the word of God, in the prophecies. If you do not know about those things, then you would not know anything about the truth of the gospel.

                            Knowledge of truth should come with understanding the prophesies. The knowledge of the mystery of God is beyond human knowledge and understanding, that is why God's demonstration is needed. Thus, the gospel itself is pointing unto the works of God in Christ, and throughout Israel's history.
                            Who made you king? Proverbs is talking about discovering all the cool stuff God made(e.g. science) not the gospel. That wasn't there yet and the gospel isn't a secret. We sinned, seperating ourselves from God. God the Son became a human and died for our and rose again so that all who believe can be with Him for eternity. If it was supposed to be a secret, it needs a few more glasses and domino masks.
                            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by FarEastBird View Post
                              ...and the apostasy of the believers
                              What verse do you base this claim on?
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              Stephen R. Donaldson

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