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Derail: Hyper-Calvinism discussion from "Big Beef" thread

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    If you have free will, stop sinning.
    That's actually a good argument for Calvinism.

    Is that not a good argument? If you have free will, and it's really truly free, then use that free will and stop sinning.

    I go to a Presbyterian Church and I did verify recently that they are definitely Calvinist. Not too much is emphasized regarding free will though...that is, this doctrine is hardly noticeable in the sermons.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Machinist View Post

      That's actually a good argument for Calvinism.

      Is that not a good argument? If you have free will, and it's really truly free, then use that free will and stop sinning.

      I go to a Presbyterian Church and I did verify recently that they are definitely Calvinist. Not too much is emphasized regarding free will though...that is, this doctrine is hardly noticeable in the sermons.
      If we have a sin nature, we are "addicted" to sin. While we can avoid individual sins if we try, like an addict, eventually we will return to sin when things become tough.

      Also, Dave L claims he believes in infralapsarianism

      Infralapsarianism (“after the lapse”) puts God’s decrees in the following order: (1) God decreed the creation of mankind, (2) God decreed mankind would be allowed to fall into sin through their own self-determination, (3) God decreed to save some of the fallen, and (4) God decreed to provide Jesus Christ as the Redeemer. Infralapsarianism focuses on God allowing the fall and providing salvation. This is by far the majority Reformed (or Calvinistic) view.
      https://www.gotquestions.org/lapsarianism.html

      Yet he seems to be claiming that we have no free will or self-determinism, that for example, BIden is just doing what God wants him to do, no more or no less. That we are all doing that. Yet see above, that is not what infralapsarians believe. He is a hyper-calvinist from what I can tell, no matter what he claims.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

        You should know more than me. But it is obvious you know very little about Christ and his ways.
        And there, once again, that pharisaical judgmental attitude. Try reading the 7th chapter of Matthew.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #64
          Grow thread Grow!

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Grow thread Grow!
            I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if Dave walks alone in the dark.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              And there, once again, that pharisaical judgmental attitude. Try reading the 7th chapter of Matthew.
              If you knew anything about Christ you would agree with me. I'm in line with all the historic creeds before and after the Reformation.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                If we have a sin nature, we are "addicted" to sin. While we can avoid individual sins if we try, like an addict, eventually we will return to sin when things become tough.

                Also, Dave L claims he believes in infralapsarianism

                Infralapsarianism (“after the lapse”) puts God’s decrees in the following order: (1) God decreed the creation of mankind, (2) God decreed mankind would be allowed to fall into sin through their own self-determination, (3) God decreed to save some of the fallen, and (4) God decreed to provide Jesus Christ as the Redeemer. Infralapsarianism focuses on God allowing the fall and providing salvation. This is by far the majority Reformed (or Calvinistic) view.
                https://www.gotquestions.org/lapsarianism.html

                Yet he seems to be claiming that we have no free will or self-determinism, that for example, BIden is just doing what God wants him to do, no more or no less. That we are all doing that. Yet see above, that is not what infralapsarians believe. He is a hyper-calvinist from what I can tell, no matter what he claims.
                All of the Reformed creeds are infralapsarian. So am I.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                  If you knew anything about Christ you would agree with me.
                  wow



                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    wow


                    You agree more with the Catholics than you do the Reformers.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                      You agree more with the Catholics than you do the Reformers.
                      That is an outright untruth about Cow Poke.


                      Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                        You agree more with the Catholics than you do the Reformers.
                        You, sir, are a liar. Or, at best, an ignoramous.

                        There, more jewels in your crown?

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                          All of the Reformed creeds are infralapsarian. So am I.
                          Then you should admit you are wrong when you claimed that Biden is only doing what God wants him to do, as if he has no free will or choice in the matter.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                            You agree more with the Catholics than you do the Reformers.
                            Biden is a Catholic. Sounds like you are the one agreeing more with the Catholics than the Reformers.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                              That is an outright untruth about Cow Poke.
                              Free will is from Catholicism. The Reformers disproved it.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                                Free will is from Catholicism. The Reformers disproved it.
                                Well then, we are not responsible for our belief in free will. Obviously God wants us to believe in it for some reason, and there is nothing you can do about it.


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