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    "I" Believe

    Have you had a friend who still believe his boyfriend, or girlfriend, love her, or him, in spite of knowing the fact that his, or her, partner is cheating on him, or her? Certainly, there are reasons why such a friend would believe in his, or her, partner. But seldom we take into consideration these reasons of our friend to remain firm in his, or her, belief to his, or her, partner. And so, we slip to notice that our friend's belief is not rooted on facts but rather of our friend's own deluded expectations. And so, in the end, our friend is not truly believing on his, or her, partner but rather believe on his, or her, delusion.

    Well, in our belief in God, we also miss to examine ourselves of the reasons why we believe on what we believe. We often assume that when we believe in something, that we are seeking the facts of what we are believing in. And so when we claim that we believe in Jesus, we have the thought that we are truly believing who Jesus is, or was. But the reality is that our belief can be actually "influenced" by factors that we tend to ignore, or even deny admit, is influencing our beliefs. And so we end up believing in errors.

    And so, I wish to discuss two issues that influence the believers to espouse misguided beliefs.

    1. Knowledge and Understanding

    A believer always takes the idea that he, or she, has enough knowledge, or understanding, about his, or her, belief. Many believers believe in the Bible "AS IF" they really knew what the Bible is saying: that is what they believe, but the fact is otherwise.

    In spite of the fact that the Bible is clear that knowledge of the word of God is given to whom God elected to be teachers, yet many believers assume that they can have the same level of understanding with the elect teachers who taught them. We see in the apostle Paul, that in spite of his great knowledge and understanding of the word of God, and being called an apostle himself, yet he humbly accepts that he still has things to learn. This implies of the depthness of the word of God. And apostle Peter, on the other hand, describes of Paul's writing as something the unlearned cannot discern. Yet many believers readily assumes that they can learn of Paul's epistles. A big question really needs to be addressed by every believer: what is our basis that our understanding is enough, and sound?

    I am pretty sure that some of you had met Christians whom you judged that their christian belief is misguided. But what will be your basis, or defence, when you are the one being judged as having the misguided belief? What would be your basis of soundness of your mind?

    2. The Heart, the Flesh

    I do know that some of the beliefs we espouse can be reasoned out. But I also believe that many believers hold on beliefs that do not hold logic, and thus absurd. Of this, I think that these kind of believers are in the same level of ignorance with those group of people who hold to their belief because "the Bible tells them so." Holding on to beliefs with mere trust, even if it is well intended, is simply an act of the heart, or of the feelings, "of the flesh." It is not something willed with the mind.

    I understand that many believers find the Bible "believable" because most it says are reasonable to believe. But it does not mean it will be reasonable that we should believe what we may find "questionable" in the Bible, more so that we are vulnerable to misintepretion. Even in other matters, of a person for instance, though how much we trust a friend, if what he, or she, says does not make sense, we do not believe him.

    I do encourage that we should put trust in the bible. But when it comes to things that does not make sense, the question should be our knowledge of the Bible, not of our trust in the Bible. Yet many leave knowledge aside and follow their fleshly heart.


    Consider these:

    Wisdom is the PRINCIPAL thing.... (Prov 4:7)
    Wisdom GIVETH LIFE to them that have it. (Ecc 7:12)
    And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW THEE the only true God... (John 17:3)
    For God had not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND. (2Tim 1:7)

    Many are misguided in their faith in God. To most, faith is "an act of the will in the form of trust." But the true faith is a form of wisdom. It is the reason why it is considered a form of EVIDENCE. (Heb 11:1) Hebrews 11:3 states, "Through faith we UNDERSTAND..." The kind of faith which act of the will to trust DOES NOT give us UNDERSTANDING nor provides EVIDENCE to us.

    Many christian believers rest in their faith that is in the form of trust, their act of willingness to hope in the promise though the ideas they are presented are inconsitent to the outcome of what they are hoping of. And some believers even clings to absurd belief, just to hold on their faith of WILLINGNESS TO TRUST. Yes, a lot of christian espouse absurd belief, (mistakenly assumed it is taught in the bible), just to prove their consistensy in their faith that is of their willingness to trust in the bible, to christianity, and most to God.

    Christ came to give us KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of who God is. (1John 5:20) And THAT IS the faith OF Christ that saves us. (Galatians 2:16)

    The Battleground

    The spiritual battleground is not about the about the willingness to trust in God, but rather it is actually the battle of knowledge and understanding of the Godhead. A person who comes to know and understand God CANNOT DENY God. Many preachers are focused on encouraging the believers, stationary holding the believers to keep on trusting, and neglecting them of the need of learning. Just as we have heard of the parables of Christ, these believers who lacked the foundation of faith will consequently fall to destruction. The battle is not as simple as we may think, for as we endeavour to teach, we deal with learned and stupid people speaking to them at the same time, and the discussion becomes more confusing to those we proselyte.


    One of the deepest spirtual battles we would encounter is of distinguishing KNOWLEDGE to WISDOM. It is in this scenario, that even the faithfull and trusting believers, fall in the way to destruction. As apostle Paul said, "knowledge puffs us..." and so, many assumes they can ignore knowledge; which is true, we can set aside knowledge. But many believers, in their ignorance, are actually ignoring wisdom, not knowledge.

    Wisdom involves discernment and understanding, while knowledge is simply knowing. The discernment and understanding involved in wisdom leads to judgment on moral objectiveness.

    Unfortunately to the misguided, the wisdom we speak of is to them in the form of knowledge. And so thus, they think thy can just ignore it. And on worst case scenario, the misguided believer would even ignore understanding. We cannot go against understanding.
    So one of the complicated problem of enlightening people is dealing with the novice, and/or an agnostic, in terms of his spiritual knowledge,.

    The novice, or agnostic, can know, and speak a lot about good and evil, even of the words of God. But a novice and an agnostic lack discernment and understanding that leads to moral objectiveness of the things they knew about good and evil, and about the words of God. In fact, an agnostic would deny the existence of morality, though he would say that morality is good and desirable.

    Some think that better explanation and presentation of knowledge would entail having wisdom and understanding. But this is not true. We know, because we experience, that a novice, or a child, can speak better about love than their mature counterpart. But the novice and, or a child, does not have true discernment and understanding of the moral objectiveness of love.

    When we think of morality, we do not only think of knowledge, but also of experiences in applying what we know as good and evil. And some, because they read a lot of books, would now then consider themselves learned. Though knowledge is passed in those book, but the knowledge of experience is not. The knowledge on the subject of temptation can easily be passed, but our knowledge of experiencing temptation cannot be passed to the reader. Many speak and teach as if they have mastered the issue of temptations, but they themselves are chained in their own temptations.

    And so, the most frustrating part of spiritual battle is not the battle of faithfulness in God but on the battle of understanding and knowing God. And so, we encounter here, in this forum, who claims to believe in God, but then do not realize that they believe in their own concept, or conceptualization, of a God. Yes we confess, "I believe." In this forum most of us believe, and we have less problem on the "believe" part of the confession. But the real big problem is the "I" part, where maturity in wisdom sets us apart.

    Last edited by FarEastBird; 08-01-2021, 07:29 AM.
    ...WISDOM giveth life to them that have it. (Ecclesiastes 7:12)
    ...the ISLES shall wait for his law (Isaiah 42:4)

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