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Originally posted by seven7up View PostWe also have a song about Noah and the ark.
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Meanwhile... From the LDS website....
1. Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus anointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.
(Chorus]
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.
2. Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.
3. Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.
4. Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know "Brother Joseph" again.
Text: William W. Phelps, 1792-1872
Music: Scottish folk song
Now, I have given solid evidence for my claim that Mormons worship Joseph Smith. If you're any kind of decent fellow at all, you'll apologize for your false accusation that I lied.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe has to also show that you knowingly told an untruth. And that opinions or matters of faith are not to be called lies. But then what else has he got? He can't argue against what we are saying. So all he can do is stomp his foot and throw a tantrum.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCalm yourself, 7, and check out the new clarifications on accusations of lying. If you accuse me of lying, you have to specify what it was I lied about. I didn't lie.
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostYou claim that we "worship" Joseph Smith.
Everyone knows that this is a lie. Including you.
No violation here.
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Christians live BECAUSE Jesus lived. Mormons believe they live REGARDLESS of Jesus.
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostYou don't know spit about what Joseph Smith actually taught. All you pretend to know is a caricature of the actual LDS faith.
The Prophet Joseph Smith declared, “The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it”
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostYou don't know spit about what Joseph Smith actually taught. All you pretend to know is a caricature of the actual LDS faith.
The Prophet Joseph Smith declared, “The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it”
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"SOUNDS" being the operative word. The problem with mormonism is that they change the very idea of God and Jesus into a twisted travesty of what the bible reveals. The mormon Jesus is a creation of the Father, a literal son who is brother to Satan. And the Father himself was just a man born on another planet who became God. And you believe that one day YOU can become a God and have your own planet. So your God and your Jesus are not the God of the bible. So any words claiming that your faith is based on Jesus, that he died, was buried and rose again, are speaking of a different and a false Jesus. A Jesus who is a figment of Smith's imagination and lies.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhy don't you quit being dishonest and twisting my words? I didn't say "rather than" - I implied in addition to.
Please continue. It only confirms that you have no intention of representing the truth.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm not the one who's deceived into thinking that Smith is going to "help Jesus check people into Heaven", as one of your buddies used to claim here on Tweb.
As Christ said:
"Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (John 5:45-47)
Similarly, Noah offered "salvation" to those who would join him in the ark. Those who were disobedient and failed to enter the ark were swept off the earth in the flood and ended up in spirit prison (1 Peter 3:20). Again, as the prophet of his dispensation, Noah provided the "passport" for those who accepted the word of God that came through him.
In the the time of the New Testament Church, those who accepted the apostles and prophets and did not reject the message of Jesus Christ were saved. As the Lord said to the apostles, "He that receiveth you receiveth me" (Matt. 10:40).
THAT IS THE CONTEXT. This is nothing new.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBy the way, you are in violation of the rules for accusing me of being a liar without substantiation, but that's no surprise.
-7upLast edited by seven7up; 02-23-2016, 02:41 AM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, therefore, he (Joseph Smith) started his own religion,....
Christianity is all about Jesus, buried, crucified and risen again.
The Prophet Joseph Smith declared, “The fundamental principles of our religion are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it”
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, therefore, he started his own religion, based on his own testimony, his own "visions", his own money digging, his own writings, his own wild imagination, his own grand ego, his own sexual fantasies, his own.......
It's all about Smith.
Christianity is all about Jesus, buried, crucified and risen again.
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