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LDS church having press conference on "religious freedom and nondiscrimination"

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  • LDS church having press conference on "religious freedom and nondiscrimination"

    This is at 10 am, which local time is about 15 minutes from now. They're encouraging people to use the Twitter hashtag #Fairness4All (which I can see backfiring easily). I'm really curious what will be announced.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Nothing particularly interesting.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/27/us/mor...aws/index.html
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      Source: cited article

      Convening a rare press conference on Tuesday at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, Mormon leaders pledged to support anti-discrimination laws for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people, as long the laws also protect the rights of religious groups.

      In exchange, the Mormon church wants gay rights advocates -- and the government -- to back off.

      © Copyright Original Source



      Sounds like damage control, pure and simple. They're trying to walk back some of their tough stance on homosexuality.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Source: cited article

        Convening a rare press conference on Tuesday at church headquarters in Salt Lake City, Mormon leaders pledged to support anti-discrimination laws for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people, as long the laws also protect the rights of religious groups.

        In exchange, the Mormon church wants gay rights advocates -- and the government -- to back off.

        © Copyright Original Source



        Sounds like damage control, pure and simple. They're trying to walk back some of their tough stance on homosexuality.
        Which is probably one of the only areas I agree with them on...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          Which is probably one of the only areas I agree with them on...
          Naw, you probably agree with their "financial responsibility" for families. (not being in debt, saving for the future, etc)
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Naw, you probably agree with their "financial responsibility" for families. (not being in debt, saving for the future, etc)
            "One of the only" is not the same as "the only".
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            • #7
              This is honestly nothing that I don't think most evangelical Christians couldn't affirm either (traditional teaching on homosexuality but calling for people not to discriminate against others).

              Honestly, when I heard the announcement, I was wondering if it was allowing women to the priesthood.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                This is honestly nothing that I don't think most evangelical Christians couldn't affirm either (traditional teaching on homosexuality but calling for people not to discriminate against others).
                You are generous with tolerance when you're in charge, not in the middle of a war. It's surrender, plain and simple. The LDS church is crying uncle and begging liberals to leave them alone. They won't, and I don't see why they should. They're winning and the LDS church can't do anything about it. This lesson is of course not limited to the LDS.
                Last edited by Darth Executor; 01-27-2015, 05:31 PM.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  Honestly, when I heard the announcement, I was wondering if it was allowing women to the priesthood.
                  That's coming. A new "revelation from God", no doubt.
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                    "One of the only" is not the same as "the only".
                    Your hair is blue.
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                      You are generous with tolerance when you're in charge, not in the middle of a war. It's surrender, plain and simple. The LDS church is crying uncle and begging liberals to leave them alone. They won't, and I don't see why they should. They're winning and the LDS church can't do anything about it. This lesson is of course not limited to the LDS.
                      Discriminating against homosexual individuals for, say, employment purposes plays into their attempts to define themselves in terms of their sexual preferences, which is foreign to the gospel. If opposing that is your definition of surrender, then hand me a white flag.

                      In any event, I'm not going to compliment the LDS church for anything. They are a cult, plain and simple.
                      Last edited by KingsGambit; 01-27-2015, 09:33 PM.
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        Discriminating against homosexual individuals for, say, employment purposes plays into their attempts to define themselves in terms of their sexual preferences, which is foreign to the gospel. If opposing that is your definition of surrender, then hand me a white flag.

                        In any event, I'm not going to compliment the LDS church for anything. They are a cult, plain and simple.
                        IMO sexual orientation has no business being brought up in the context of employment.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          IMO sexual orientation has no business being brought up in the context of employment.
                          I agree with this. That was my general interpretation of the type of discrimination the press conference was against; that's why I mentioned it. (Obviously job positions like clergy are an exception to this.)
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                            Discriminating against homosexual individuals for, say, employment purposes plays into their attempts to define themselves in terms of their sexual preferences
                            Yeah it's amazing how actually fighting them instead of giving them what they want and shrilly demand really plays into their hands.

                            which is foreign to the gospel.
                            I must have missed the part where the gospel discusses employment discrimination. Also an amusing comment considering the traditional Biblical punishment for gay sex.

                            If opposing that is your definition of surrender, then hand me a white flag.
                            Pretty sure you already surrendered a long time ago.

                            In any event, I'm not going to compliment the LDS church for anything. They are a cult, plain and simple.
                            Liberalism and Mormonism are both cults, but only one of these cults poses a serious threat to me, and it's not the one with the magic underwear. That you would be so petty as to refuse to compliment them when they're doing what you claim is the right thing just shows how cowardly most Christians have become. You can see a similar phenomenon in Christians who aggressively criticize and protest against Muslims but have nothing but anti-discrimination preaching to direct at anyone who fights some faction of the progressive hegemony, even when the latter are far worse than the former.
                            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              IMO sexual orientation has no business being brought up in the context of employment.
                              Someone should have told that to Brendan Eich.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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