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This forum is a debate area to discuss issues pertaining to the LDS - Mormons. This forum is generally for theists only, and is generaly not the area for debate between atheists and theists. Non-theists may not post here without first obtaining permission from the moderator of this forum. Granting of such permission is subject to Moderator discretion - and may be revoked if the Moderator feels that the poster is not keeping with the spirit of the World Religions Department.
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Originally posted by just Johnna View PostHi NRA-Jeff, nice to see an familiar TWebber. Hello BTC too!
I'll check in too. I haven't been on the site for a few years now, long enough that I had to sign up again and my old handle was available to pick up again.
Many changes. I got divorced, I went back to school to try and tool up for a career since my BA in Linguistics doesn't immediately suggest employment. Half the kids finished high school and went to college, I got involved in the Divorce and Relationship Recovery ministry out of Menlo Park, California. I married again, someone I've known since we were teens, I moved to another state. We are all doing well.
But, most pertinent to TWeb, I'm no longer Mormon, so sorry, I'm not much use around here. There's been a lot going on in Mormonland lately, I was wondering if you all had comment on it. But, just like the old days, it hasn't come up here unless I bring it up.That's what
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Originally posted by just Johnna View Post.....
There's been a lot going on in Mormonland lately, I was wondering if you all had comment on it. But, just like the old days, it hasn't come up here unless I bring it up.Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow
Inquiring minds, and all that....
And, I take it back, you guys did bring up these near when they happened. But, these developments seem to be just an opportunity for the TWebbers to make the same complaints that mormon prophetic leadership doesn't work they way you think it should or doesn't match how it represents itself. From where I am, that's not really any kind of comment about these developments.
But then, I'm not coming from a place of debate, which is the central mission and joy of TWeb. I'm more in a place of processing what my years of being mormon mean to me now, what I still value about those experiences and the dear people I'm in relationship with who are currently actively LDS. How that fits in a Christianity I could currently practice. So, yes, while admittedly not fair to ask TWeb to address that, I still came curiously looking.
Kate Kelly
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ating-Opinions
Ordain Women continues. I was surprised how the discipline of Kate Kelly felt personally hurtful to me. The little church I'm sometimes attending here has a female pastor. I'm working out what all this means.
Essays on Historical Polygamy
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...h-wed-40-wives
At first, I was surprised how many (mormon) people I knew were unaware of the history. Also, I thought myself very familiar with the history, having read things like Todd Compton's _In Sacred Loneliness_. And of course the affidavits. But then, I came to understand how (mormon) people younger than myself wouldn't have come across the history. And, there is something new, at least to me, about discussing Joseph Smith's polygamy (and Utah polygamy, and the manifesto) where the implications are a little starker.
Essay on Historical Racism
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...and-Priesthood
I added my comment to the thread. It's good to have this published. For some commenters in the thread, it's just an occasion to say the LDS church must be false because racism should have been caught sooner and dealt with. For me, it's more personal even if I'm a believer or in the community. I have ties there. Uprooting these hurtful memes will make a difference.
Now I'm off to class. See ya later.
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Originally posted by just Johnna View PostAh, I was thinking of Kate Kelly, Ordain Women, and the essays recently put up on LDS.org.
And, I take it back, you guys did bring up these near when they happened. But, these developments seem to be just an opportunity for the TWebbers to make the same complaints that mormon prophetic leadership doesn't work they way you think it should or doesn't match how it represents itself. From where I am, that's not really any kind of comment about these developments.
But then, I'm not coming from a place of debate, which is the central mission and joy of TWeb. I'm more in a place of processing what my years of being mormon mean to me now, what I still value about those experiences and the dear people I'm in relationship with who are currently actively LDS. How that fits in a Christianity I could currently practice. So, yes, while admittedly not fair to ask TWeb to address that, I still came curiously looking.
Kate Kelly
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ating-Opinions
Ordain Women continues. I was surprised how the discipline of Kate Kelly felt personally hurtful to me. The little church I'm sometimes attending here has a female pastor. I'm working out what all this means.
Essays on Historical Polygamy
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...h-wed-40-wives
At first, I was surprised how many (mormon) people I knew were unaware of the history. Also, I thought myself very familiar with the history, having read things like Todd Compton's _In Sacred Loneliness_. And of course the affidavits. But then, I came to understand how (mormon) people younger than myself wouldn't have come across the history. And, there is something new, at least to me, about discussing Joseph Smith's polygamy (and Utah polygamy, and the manifesto) where the implications are a little starker.
Essay on Historical Racism
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...and-Priesthood
I added my comment to the thread. It's good to have this published. For some commenters in the thread, it's just an occasion to say the LDS church must be false because racism should have been caught sooner and dealt with. For me, it's more personal even if I'm a believer or in the community. I have ties there. Uprooting these hurtful memes will make a difference.
Now I'm off to class. See ya later.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy dog ate 'em.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Doctrine Matters View PostNRA Jeff spends most of his time on CARM. He loves calling Christians who debate with him "antis." He especially targets young Christians who are confused and may be vulnerable to be brought back into the Mormon cult. This is just an update.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Doctrine Matters View PostI actually met Jeff here. I told him he might enjoy posting on CARM. We contact each other every once in a while. He's not a bad guy. Pray for him.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Doctrine Matters View PostNRA Jeff spends most of his time on CARM. He loves calling Christians who debate with him "antis."
He especially targets young Christians who are confused and may be vulnerable to be brought back into the Mormon cult. This is just an update.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Doctrine Matters View PostI actually met Jeff here. I told him he might enjoy posting on CARM. We contact each other every once in a while. He's not a bad guy. Pray for him.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostEver interact with Other Cheek? He passed away not too long ago.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I had never heard that term before, and when I asked him what that was, he thought I was pulling his leg. Got kinda ornery about it, in fact.
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Originally posted by Sparkso143807My dog ate 'em."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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