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LDS Church: Mormon founder Joseph Smith wed 40 wives
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostI have known about the details of polygamy since I began investigating the church when I was in college. Heck, I knew Mormons had a history of polygamy long before then as well.
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostI have known about the details of polygamy since I began investigating the church when I was in college. Heck, I knew Mormons had a history of polygamy long before then as well.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDoesn't change the point of BTC's OP at all -- your Church is being forced to "fess up".
Eventually, it's possibly YOU will even be led to the truth.
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I've been reading the responses to this on a Mormon forum. There's at least one person who still insists that Smith wasn't a polygamist. Many seem to chalk up Smith's denials of polygamy to either his being human or to having to keep it secret, even from the church at large, due to persecution (particularly from people who left the church).
Polygamy is a frequent topic there. It breaks my heart that 1) there are several LDS who are asking really good questions* about this and other topics, but they still believe and 2) there are people who have the right attitude, if you will, of being committed to God no matter what, but they use this to defend JS and polygamy.
*Someone even pointed out that one of the things that bothers them is how many cult leaders institute polygamy within their cults.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI noticed that according to this statement that Smith "told associates that an angel appeared to him three times between 1834 and 1842 and commanded him to proceed with plural marriage when he hesitated to move forward. During the third and final appearance, the angel came with a drawn sword, threatening Joseph with destruction unless he went forward and obeyed the commandment fully."
So an angel made him do it.
Whenever some cult leader wants to do something that everyone knows is wrong they always employ the same excuse: they were commanded to do so either by God or one of His messengers.
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostHere is the official church statement about plural wives in the time when Joseph Smith and other early church members performed plural marriages.
https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-ma...auvoo?lang=eng
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So an angel made him do it.
Whenever some cult leader wants to do something that everyone knows is wrong they always employ the same excuse: they were commanded to do so either by God or one of His messengers.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostHere is Joseph's "Address of the Prophet—His Testimony Against the Dissenters at Nauvoo." on his marital situation:
So, he declared, one month before he died, that he only had one wife.
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The LDS apologists like to claim that God allowed and then disallowed plural marriage at different times.
Yet their own scripture shows that during a time when the Hebrews practiced plural marriage (the OT) God said it was an abomination to him.
Jacob 2: 24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
for something that God simply allowed and disallowed depending on his purposes, using words like "whoredoms" and "abomination" seem pretty strong, especially since this was supposedly happening during a time when God supposedly allowed plural marriages.
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostHere is the official church statement about plural wives in the time when Joseph Smith and other early church members performed plural marriages.
https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-ma...auvoo?lang=eng
-7up
So, he declared, one month before he died, that he only had one wife.
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Originally posted by seven7up View PostHere is the official church statement about plural wives in the time when Joseph Smith and other early church members performed plural marriages.
https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-ma...auvoo?lang=eng
-7up
Doesn't change the point of BTC's OP at all -- your Church is being forced to "fess up".
Eventually, it's possibly YOU will even be led to the truth.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
Here is the official church statement about plural wives in the time when Joseph Smith and other early church members performed plural marriages.
https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-ma...auvoo?lang=eng
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The scary thing is that many of their own members don't know all of this crazy stuff.
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