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The LDS church's most recent stance on Blacks and Priesthood

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  • seven7up
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, the Mormon God was incapable of overriding BY's bigotry in clearing the deck?
    The Christian God didn't step in during the crusades, or the inquisition, or slavery, or bigotry?

    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I won't attempt to answer for the Presbyterians.
    That's the nice thing about being an Evangelical. You can always ride in on a different denomination, or a new denomination or non-denomination.

    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Which proves you're not here to defend your faith, but to whine and pitch fits and play games.
    I am only playing the same game that you have been playing all along.

    Are you going to explain why the Spirit of the Lord came upon Samson in order to slaughter those people? I'm waiting.

    -7up
    Last edited by seven7up; 08-10-2014, 05:25 AM.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by seven7up View Post
    Dr. Benjamin M. Palmer from the Presbyterian church was pretty significant. All of it was based on an interpretation of Genesis 9:18-27:
    I won't attempt to answer for the Presbyterians.

    It was from these similar precursors where Brigham Young got his views prior to even becoming a Mormon. Unfortunately, he brought those views into the LDS church with him, "Cain slew his brother . . . and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. . . ." ( -Brigham Young)

    -7up
    So, the Mormon God was incapable of overriding BY's bigotry in clearing the deck? Perhaps the same thing happened with Smith and his lust for women? And, apparently, you're so embarrassed by the quote, you didn't even complete it.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by seven7up View Post
    (Let's see if I can match your mocking behavior.)

    LOL. I have some good ones for you.
    Which proves you're not here to defend your faith, but to whine and pitch fits and play games. GEE, I miss BrotherAardvark!

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by seven7up View Post
    (Let's see if I can match your mocking behavior.)

    LOL. I have some good ones for you.

    How about when God was going to kill Moses , let's see how Moses got out of that one.

    Exodus 4:24-26
    24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
    25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
    26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.


    How about when Eliseus was traveling to Bethel when some children made fun of him for being bald. Eliseus cursing them to God, who sent two bears to maul the children to death.

    And he went up from thence to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, little boys came out of the city and mocked him, saying: Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. [24] And looking back, he saw them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord: and there came forth two bears out of the forest, and tore of them two and forty boys. ( 4 Kings 2:23-24)

    Hah!

    I already mentioned on the other thread how God would not allow the priesthood to be held by people with blemishes or handicapped people. God must be against handicapped people right. (Leviticus 21:17-24)

    Oh, this one his Hilarious,

    God drowned every single person on the planet besides Noah and his family after making him build a big boat and somehow crammed every kind of animal inside.

    Oh, don't forget that he also helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and many more, often killing women, children and animals at the same time.

    Good one right? Let's see here, what about this one:

    God doesn't like this guy named Er, so then he kills him. Onan's dad orders Onan to have unmarried sex with Er's wife. She had two children with Er already, but maybe wanted another one. Onan spills his seed, so then God kills him, too. (Genesis 38:1-10) Classic!

    When Samson was married, he was given 30 friends, and he gave them a riddle. Then he made a wager to see if they could answer it in a week, and the prize for either side was new clothing. Samson's wife ended up getting the answer out of him. When Samson was supposed to repay the debt, God gave Samson the power through God's spirit to kill them all:

    And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. (see Judges 14:1-19)


    Wow. You are right guys. Mocking religion is really fun and awesome. Thanks for inspiring me how.


    -7up
    IOW, you don't have any answers, so you'll make a lame attempt at mocking the Old Testament? I don't get it.

    And from your next post, who is "Dr. Benjamin M. Palmer from the Presbyterian church"? Is he supposed to be some sort of authority figure for Presbyterians, let alone Christians in general?

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  • seven7up
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, I know ... us Southern Baptists didn't claim a theological reason* -- we were just mean ugly bigots. We were just wrong.

    *there were, of course, some congregations who DID preach "the mark" theology, but it was not our official position, and did not come from "leadership".
    Dr. Benjamin M. Palmer from the Presbyterian church was pretty significant. All of it was based on an interpretation of Genesis 9:18-27:

    It was from these similar precursors where Brigham Young got his views prior to even becoming a Mormon. Unfortunately, he brought those views into the LDS church with him, "Cain slew his brother . . . and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. . . ." ( -Brigham Young)

    -7up

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  • seven7up
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    (Let's see if I can match your mocking behavior.)

    LOL. I have some good ones for you.

    How about when God was going to kill Moses , let's see how Moses got out of that one.

    Exodus 4:24-26
    24 And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the Lord met him, and sought to kill him.
    25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
    26 So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.


    How about when Eliseus was traveling to Bethel when some children made fun of him for being bald. Eliseus cursing them to God, who sent two bears to maul the children to death.

    And he went up from thence to Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, little boys came out of the city and mocked him, saying: Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. [24] And looking back, he saw them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord: and there came forth two bears out of the forest, and tore of them two and forty boys. ( 4 Kings 2:23-24)

    Hah!

    I already mentioned on the other thread how God would not allow the priesthood to be held by people with blemishes or handicapped people. God must be against handicapped people right. (Leviticus 21:17-24)

    Oh, this one his Hilarious,

    God drowned every single person on the planet besides Noah and his family after making him build a big boat and somehow crammed every kind of animal inside.

    Oh, don't forget that he also helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and many more, often killing women, children and animals at the same time.

    Good one right? Let's see here, what about this one:

    God doesn't like this guy named Er, so then he kills him. Onan's dad orders Onan to have unmarried sex with Er's wife. She had two children with Er already, but maybe wanted another one. Onan spills his seed, so then God kills him, too. (Genesis 38:1-10) Classic!

    When Samson was married, he was given 30 friends, and he gave them a riddle. Then he made a wager to see if they could answer it in a week, and the prize for either side was new clothing. Samson's wife ended up getting the answer out of him. When Samson was supposed to repay the debt, God gave Samson the power through God's spirit to kill them all:

    And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and slew thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave change of garments unto them which expounded the riddle. (see Judges 14:1-19)


    Wow. You are right guys. Mocking religion is really fun and awesome. Thanks for inspiring me how.


    -7up

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  • DigitalInkling
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    That was back when they were all white and delightsome.
    I have an older book of mormon that has this in it.

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by Trout View Post
    Sandra Tanner calls it, "The Black Hole"
    I remember an article of that name from wayback on Tweb. It was good reading.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    My favorite part of that is the "cancellation ceremony" to end "eternal" sealings, and the unanswered question of who the children of these "eternally sealed" cancelled marriages belong to in Heaven.
    That's another thing... Heavenly Father must have been the only one of his entire mortal family to believe in his mortality, because he has no children sealed to him and heavenly mom from the prior existence.

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  • Trout
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I always like the story of the 116 missing pages that Lucy Harris stole, and Smith's subsequent revelation that God would not re-dictate those pages to him. LOL.
    Sandra Tanner calls it, "The Black Hole"

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And how eternal marriage and spiritual procreation will work...
    My favorite part of that is the "cancellation ceremony" to end "eternal" sealings, and the unanswered question of who the children of these "eternally sealed" cancelled marriages belong to in Heaven.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I can't wait till the LDS church says Gay Marriage is OK and what "explanation" they come up for that one.
    And how eternal marriage and spiritual procreation will work...

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  • Cow Poke
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    I have always respected God too much try to "get stuff" by claiming He told me to do it.

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  • Sparko
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    I always like the story of the 116 missing pages that Lucy Harris stole, and Smith's subsequent revelation that God would not re-dictate those pages to him. LOL.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I bet they said the same thing about polygamy. The LDS church is notorious for giving in to peer pressure from society and then making up some excuse as to why it was God's will in the first place.
    My all time favorite was the "revelation" to Joseph Smith that his dear sweet wife would be destroyed if she didn't stop protesting his alliances with other women.

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