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The Mormon Jesus quotes the Epistles of the New Testament before they were written?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Supposedly one of his co-conspirators, Oliver Cowdery, tried to translate at one point.
    Interesting. I thought none of his co-conspirators saw the actual plates.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Interesting. I thought none of his co-conspirators saw the actual plates.
      I don't know of anybody who actually claims to have seen the plates with their human eyes, besides Smith.

      Source: Mormon historian Marvin S. Hill in “Brodie Revisited: A Reappraisal,” published in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought



      “What of the prophet's story about gold plates, and what about his witnesses? Given Brodie's assumptions, was there not deception here, if not collusion? Brodie maintains that the Prophet exercised some mysterious influence upon the witnesses which caused them to see the plates, thus making Joseph Smith once more the perpetrator of a religious fraud. The evidence is extremely contradictory in this area, but there is a possibility that the three witnesses saw the plates in vision only, for Stephen Burnett in a letter written in 1838, a few weeks after the event, described Martin Harris' testimony to this effect: ‘When I came to hear Martin Harris state in public that he never saw the plates with his natural eyes only in vision or imagination, neither Oliver nor David . . . the last pedestal gave way, in my view our foundations.’”

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      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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