Good For The Mormon Church!

[Cow Poke]

Basic church discipline is so rare in mainline churches that you have to rely on cults to demonstrate how to do it.

That's just dumb -- just TRY to cut in line at one of our "dinners on the grounds" and see if you aren't summarily disciplined.

All seriousness aside, our Denomination does not ordain women as pastors, but some of our more liberal member churches do. That becomes a problem, and is PART of the reason we have two State Baptist Conventions. The one to which I subscribe does not ordain women, and we have a clear message on "family" being "the foundational institution of human society. It is composed of persons related to one another by marriage, blood, or adoption. "

[Cow Poke]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KTwnwbG9YLE

EGGzackly

[rogue06]

On my last visit to Amishland, in Pennsylvania, it was interesting to see that the dairy farmers were using electric milking machines, but there was a distinction --- the electricity had to come from GENERATORS on their farms, and NOT from "the grid", so they only had electricity to do work, not for enjoyment.

It reminded me of the Shabbat elevators I encountered in Israel -- they had to operate without the need to push a button to choose your floor, so they constantly went up and down stopping at EVERY floor.

Back in Pennsylvania, our Amish guide had an iPhone, but quickly pointed out he was in rebellion.

I recall seeing a TV program that showed that many Amish use computers for their businesses but don't have them in their homes (unless the business operates out of the house).

[Cow Poke]

I recall seeing a TV program that showed that many Amish use computers for their businesses but don't have them in their homes (unless the business operates out of the house).

Yeah, and the group I visited can ride in cars, but they can't DRIVE or OWN cars. So there are some of the "more liberal" members who DO drive, and charge the more conservative non-drivers for rides to the grocery store, etc.

They're doing the same thing as everybody else, INOHBAO -- adapting to the ways of society -- but at a much slower pace.

[QuantaFille]

Dunno why this is in Civics and not the Mormonism sunforum.

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[robrecht]

Good For The Mormon Church! For sticking to their guns!

Basic church discipline is so rare in mainline churches that you have to rely on cults to demonstrate how to do it. It's nice that they can preserve discipline ...

And the United Methodist Church just caved!

All seriousness aside, our Denomination does not ordain women as pastors, but some of our more liberal member churches do. That becomes a problem, and is PART of the reason we have two State Baptist Conventions. The one to which I subscribe does not ordain women, and we have a clear message on "family" being "the foundational institution of human society. It is composed of persons related to one another by marriage, blood, or adoption. "

For those who are seriously opposed to women holding leadership positions in ordained (or unordained) ministries, not just those cited above, I'm curious what kind of church structure or government would best accomplish your goals of not ordaining, appointing, or electing women leaders? If the traditional Protestant models of church government have failed in this regard (have they?), should different forms of church government be considered? Perhaps one that limits such decisions to ecumenical councils or a pope that are charged with upholding the authoritative interpretation of scripture and church tradition?

[One Bad Pig]

That's just dumb -- just TRY to cut in line at one of our "dinners on the grounds" and see if you aren't summarily disciplined.

All seriousness aside, our Denomination does not ordain women as pastors, but some of our more liberal member churches do. That becomes a problem, and is PART of the reason we have two State Baptist Conventions. The one to which I subscribe does not ordain women, and we have a clear message on "family" being "the foundational institution of human society. It is composed of persons related to one another by marriage, blood, or adoption. "

Baptists aren't considered "mainline" IIRC.

[Cow Poke]

Baptists aren't considered "mainline" IIRC.

Good!