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Since MAN can become God, why not women?

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  • Since MAN can become God, why not women?

    Another thread caused me to wonder about the Mormon "Mother God", about whom most Mormons seem to know incredibly little. They seem completely fine with "knowing she exists" without knowing anything at all about her. An article in BYU Studies attempts to track down the source of the information in Mormonsim about "Mother God".

    Source: BYU Studies

    Several Church leaders have affirmed that Heavenly Mother is a fully divine person and have used reverential titles such as “Mother God,” “God Mother,” “God the Mother,” “God their Eternal Mother,” and “Eternal Mother” in referring to her.

    Elder John A. Widtsoe (Quorum of the Twelve, March 17, 1921–November 29, 1952) wrote: “The glorious vision of life hereafter . . . is given radiant warmth by the thought that . . . [we have] a mother who possesses the attributes of Godhood.”

    This is echoed by Elder James E. Talmage (Quorum of the Twelve, December 8, 1911–July 27, 1933): “We . . . [are] literally the sons and daughters of divine parents, the spiritual progeny of God our Eternal Father, and of our God Mother.”

    more, President Brigham Young (President of the Church, December 27, 1947–August 29, 1877) taught that “we were created . . . in the image of our father and our mother, the image of our God,” indicating that calling Heavenly Mother “God” is consistent with the biblical account of the creation of both “male and female” being in “the image of God” (Gen. 1:26–27).

    Sister Susa Young Gates urged that “the divine Mother, side by side with the divine Father, [has] the equal sharing of equal rights, privileges and responsibilities.”

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    So, if "Mother God" was, indeed, a mortal female on earth, why can not other women become "Mother God" as men can supposedly become "God"?
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

  • #2
    They are too busy being barefoot and pregnant. After all who is going to create new spirit babies?

    And she has to keep the house clean, make dinner for God and all his angels, take the spirit babies to soccer. She is way too busy to go around working at the office as a God. That's a man's job.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      They are too busy being writers, lawyers and doctors, then having children. After all who is going to create new spirit babies?
      And she has got to finish her education, in order to ensure that her spirit babies will be well learned She is way too busy to go around working at the office as a God.
      Fixed it for ya
      A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
      George Bernard Shaw

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
        Fixed it for ya
        No you didn't. That is not the way the LDS heaven works, deary. Men do the work of creating and getting prayed to and sending out angels and so on. The wimmin folk just sit back and take care of the home cloud and kids, and bake muffins.

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        • #5
          Excerpts from:

          The Honored Place of Woman
          Ezra Taft Benson

          Since the beginning, a woman’s first and most important role has been ushering into mortality spirit sons and daughters of our Father in Heaven.
          ...
          In the beginning, Adam was instructed to earn the bread by the sweat of his brow—not Eve. Contrary to conventional wisdom, a mother’s place is in the home!
          ...
          Beguiling voices in the world cry out for “alternative life-styles” for women. They maintain that some women are better suited for careers than for marriage and motherhood.

          These individuals spread their discontent by the propaganda that there are more exciting and self-fulfilling roles for women than homemaking. Some even have been bold to suggest that the Church move away from the “Mormon woman stereotype” of homemaking and rearing children. They also say it is wise to limit your family so you can have more time for personal goals and self-fulfillment.
          ...
          It is a misguided idea that a woman should leave the home, where there is a husband and children, to prepare educationally and financially for an unforeseen eventuality. Too often, I fear, even women in the Church use the world as their standard for success and basis for self-worth.
          ---
          https://www.lds.org/general-conferen...woman?lang=eng

          Selected Teachings
          President Spencer W. Kimball

          “The husband is expected to support his family and only in an emergency should a wife secure outside employment. Her place is in the home, to build the home into a heaven of delight.

          “Numerous divorces can be traced directly to the day when the wife left the home and went out into the world into employment. Two incomes raise the standard of living beyond its norm. Two spouses working prevent the complete and proper home life, break into the family prayers, create an independence which is not cooperative, causes distortion, limits the family and frustrates the children already born. …
          https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings...er-20?lang=eng
          Last edited by Sparko; 06-16-2014, 03:39 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            No you didn't. That is not the way the LDS heaven works, deary. Men do the work of creating and getting prayed to and sending out angels and so on. The wimmin folk just sit back and take care of the home cloud and kids, and bake muffins.
            AND get threatened with DESTRUCTION if they don't knuckle under!
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #7
              Isn't true (I'm not entirely sure about this) that if the husband forgets or intentionally refuses to call her by her (secret?) name she won't become his wife in the celestial kingdom (?)

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              • #8
                Foudy we found the perfect religion for you

                A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                George Bernard Shaw

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                  Foudy we found the perfect religion for you


                  No way!

                  My wife tries to obey what the Bible says - she doesn't need any other source of authority from the Mormons....


                  Topic now back on track.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                    Isn't true (I'm not entirely sure about this) that if the husband forgets or intentionally refuses to call her by her (secret?) name she won't become his wife in the celestial kingdom (?)
                    She won't even be resurrected!
                    That's what
                    - She

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                    • #11
                      Assuming Joseph Smith was the one who invented that doctrine...You guys beat up on Smith a lot, but see, he was a generous man. He didn't just say that he himself could become God, have multiple wives and threaten his wife with destruction if she objected -- he let all the other men in the church have the same privileges, even the power to threaten their wives with eternal death. Wasn't that nice of him? You don't see other dictators/supreme authorities sharing their special privileges with fully 50% of their subjects.

                      Seriously, whatever else we say about Smith, he had a special knack for marketing religion. I bet he realized it was smart to let other men in his group share some of his privileges, so they wouldn't be jealous and it wouldn't be quite as obvious that he was taking advantage of them. Though I think his real genius was in coming up with the "almost everyone is saved" doctrine. LDS get to have their cake and eat it too. They get to claim that their religion is tolerant and "nice people" who don't accept Jesus/Joseph Smith get to have a decent afterlife, but they also get to say that the serial killers, child molesters, etc. are in hell. So they get to satisfy both the peace-loving people who don't like hell and the justice-loving people who don't want "really evil people" in heaven. And as an added bonus, they get to use the psychological pressure of "but if you leave the church, you'll be damned" to keep people in once they join.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kind Debater View Post
                        Assuming Joseph Smith was the one who invented that doctrine...You guys beat up on Smith a lot, but see, he was a generous man. He didn't just say that he himself could become God, have multiple wives and threaten his wife with destruction if she objected -- he let all the other men in the church have the same privileges, even the power to threaten their wives with eternal death. Wasn't that nice of him? You don't see other dictators/supreme authorities sharing their special privileges with fully 50% of their subjects.
                        Well, Mohammed shared most of said privileges, so...

                        Seriously, whatever else we say about Smith, he had a special knack for marketing religion. I bet he realized it was smart to let other men in his group share some of his privileges, so they wouldn't be jealous and it wouldn't be quite as obvious that he was taking advantage of them. Though I think his real genius was in coming up with the "almost everyone is saved" doctrine. LDS get to have their cake and eat it too. They get to claim that their religion is tolerant and "nice people" who don't accept Jesus/Joseph Smith get to have a decent afterlife, but they also get to say that the serial killers, child molesters, etc. are in hell. So they get to satisfy both the peace-loving people who don't like hell and the justice-loving people who don't want "really evil people" in heaven. And as an added bonus, they get to use the psychological pressure of "but if you leave the church, you'll be damned" to keep people in once they join.
                        Sounds like a less violent, more modern/tolerant Mohammed.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          They are too busy being barefoot and pregnant.
                          You DO realize that this is how agnostics / atheists attempt to characterize a woman's role in all of Christianity.

                          I don't have to search hard to find hypocrisy spewing forth from your mouth Sparko. Practically every single post.

                          -7up

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            ... why can not other women become "Mother God" as men can supposedly become "God"?
                            They can.

                            In the LDS religion, a man cannot become exalted without a woman, and a woman cannot become exalted without a man.

                            The plural Hebrew term for God, "Elohim", implies Heavenly Mother in the minds of LDS believers. Hence in Genesis God says "let US create man in OUR image and after OUR likeness ... both male and female".

                            Now, you may continue with your insulting mockery to your own detriment.

                            Christ was right on when he spoke about "pearls before swine". Too many examples here to keep track of.

                            -7up

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seven7up View Post
                              You DO realize that this is how agnostics / atheists attempt to characterize a woman's role in all of Christianity.
                              You DO realize that this typically refers to "trailer trash", "white trash", or extremist fundamentalists, yes?

                              I don't have to search hard to find hypocrisy spewing forth from your mouth Sparko. Practically every single post.

                              -7up
                              You just don't appreciate bacon.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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