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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMaybe they haven't decided that yet....
So, maybe the REASON that Mormons who pray to "Heavenly Mother" are considered "misguided", is because they've been learning MORMONISM!!!!
And --- think about this --- you have a Father and a Mother, but you must NEVER SPEAK to your Mother!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhich heavenly mother? I thought God had a whole harem of them?
So, maybe the REASON that Mormons who pray to "Heavenly Mother" are considered "misguided", is because they've been learning MORMONISM!!!!
And --- think about this --- you have a Father and a Mother, but you must NEVER SPEAK to your Mother!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd they claim they don't worship Smith!
I sure hope there aren't stories like that about Joseph Smith.
Link to the whole hadith here.
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From FairMormon.org
However, after "inventing" Heavenly Mother, the Mormon leadership apparently realized a problem, and taught she should NOT be prayed to.
This looks like the whole "Eternal Sealing" thing, which was "eternal", til the question of divorce came up, then it was TEMPORARILY eternal because it could be "canceled", but nobody could explain what happens to the CHILDREN who were eternally sealed to the now divorced parents, then subsequently are eternally sealed to the remarried parent.
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Originally posted by Russianwolfe View PostYou should read the chapter. She has a 'close personal relationship with Heavenly Mother' and prayed to her as she battled the male hierarchy within the church in an attempt to bring about changes she thought should be made. Beside violating scripture and doctrine, she was working against the church.
Marvin
Hmmmm.... I wonder if the Mormons are trying to ERASE "Heavenly Mother"... I used to get this info from BYU Studies, but today, there's just this...
An article in Sunstone Magazine appears to agree.
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From that article:
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostIn Mormon Theology why is this strange?
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostI was excommunicated for Apostasy last year. I was asking very direct questions and when the Stake President said that I relied on the the Bible too much. He also stated that the Bible is corrupt and irrelevant. I asked him if that's what the church teaches and when he confirmed it, I said "then the church can't be true". Two weeks later, I was excommunicated, all because I questioned and had an opinion.
What were the direct questions you were asking?
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Originally posted by Russianwolfe View PostYou are not excommunicated for your opinions. You are not excommunicated for asking questions. You are excommunicated for your actions. I am confident that both of these individuals were counseled by their bishops and were told exactly what their actions were that were called into question. And from what I have read on the net, it seems that John Dehlin asked for his court, he was not threatened. These people can say anything they want because they know that the Church will not make any public statements. The Church considers a disciplinary court a private matter and will not discuss it publically. By taking advantage of the Church's position these two people can say anything they want without fear that the Church will say anything.
Do you remember that woman in the 80s who was excommunicated from the church? She wrote the book entitled "From Housewife to Heretic"? I read the first chapter of her book and she was one strange woman. She prayed to a Heavenly Mother among other things. A lot of people wanted you to think she was excommunicated for her stance on the ERA. This was not true. She was excommunicated because she was preaching and teaching that no one should talk to the missionaries until the Church and prophet changed their stance on the ERA. She was actively working against the Church. This is one rare case where the Bishop who held the court issued a public statement about exactly what she was excommunicated for. And it was not what she claimed.
Marvin
I was excommunicated for Apostasy last year. I was asking very direct questions and when the Stake President said that I relied on the the Bible too much. He also stated that the Bible is corrupt and irrelevant. I asked him if that's what the church teaches and when he confirmed it, I said "then the church can't be true". Two weeks later, I was excommunicated, all because I questioned and had an opinion.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHeck there is even a hymn about it:
We Follow the Prophet
Music from the Ensign
1. We follow the prophet, we love to obey.
We listen and learn as he shows us the way.
Chorus:
We follow him gladly, with faith in his word,
For he speaks the will of the Lord.
2. We honor the prophet, we lengthen our stride.
We speak of him kindly, in love and in pride.
Chorus
3. We pray for the prophet, that he may be strong,
Defending the right and condemning the wrong.
Chorus
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Originally posted by Russianwolfe View PostI read the first chapter of her book and she was one strange woman. She prayed to a Heavenly Mother among other things.
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