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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostNot really - I just don't think it's the only way.
Although in our post-biblical world, what some book says is less likely to be taken as somehow authoritative. We should be different from the secular culture around us, and that should be a draw for those looking for something better than the world.
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Originally posted by mossrose View Post
Um, nope.Originally posted by mossyIf these folk were into the word then these churches would be failing instead of growing.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, catechism *is* education, done by someone who *has* been taken to that level.
Though I'm less excited about word, chapter, and verse than about knowing what the Bible has to say - knowing WCV is sort of useful in establishing some sort of credibility.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOf course. Not really understanding your point.
Well, they didn't have "chapter and verse" prior to ~ AD 1550.
Do you have a particular aversion to using, say, the "Roman Road" in evangelism?
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostCome and see for yourself that God is good first contact stuff. Establishing a person so that he can stay where he belongs takes some work by people who have been taken to that level, and those people develop to the point where they too can say "come and see for yourself that God is good." People who haven't been educated are left vulnerable to every false doctrine that tickles their ears. People untrained in discipleship are getting nothing that is an improvement on what they can get elsewhere. And people of whom no demands are made don't demand anything of themselves. Outcomes are the kind of things that DesertBerean's link portrays.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSure. It IS possible to "go and tell" without getting into chapter & verse, however.
As far as I can tell, most of the world was evangelized without that.
Do you have a particular aversion to using, say, the "Roman Road" in evangelism?
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe Orthodox method of conversion is less "see verse x, y, and z...." than "come and see."
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I see that MossRose also mentions ear tickling.Last edited by tabibito; 06-06-2019, 01:48 PM.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWe usually just have the scriptures of the day read to us, followed by a homily. In some fairness, my tradition developed well before the printing press, so very few in the congregation could be expected to have a copy on hand. On the other hand, I've yet to encounter "feel-good ear-tickling" in it.
I think you missed a negative in there, somewhere.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, there's that thing were Jesus said "go and tell".
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostAll you need to do is look at the millions of people who sit in churches where the bible isn't even opened and the "sermon" is nothing more than feel-good ear-tickling.
If these folk were into the word then these churches would be failing instead of growing.
It's Laodicea, folks.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, you may have a point. While ANY CHILD raised in a Baptist home could be expected to quote John 3:16, in my teenage rebellion, I attended a Catholic Youth Organization retreat where I was astounded that they didn't seem to know any scripture at all. But then, they weren't "missionaries" sent out to win converts.
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All you need to do is look at the millions of people who sit in churches where the bible isn't even opened and the "sermon" is nothing more than feel-good ear-tickling.
If these folk were into the word then these churches would be failing instead of growing.
It's Laodicea, folks.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post4% seems a bit high to me. Do you have a citation available perchance?
But to emphasize CP's point, here's an article about our illiteracy:
https://albertmohler.com/2016/01/20/...our-problem-4/
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