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This forum is a debate area to discuss issues pertaining to the LDS - Mormons. This forum is generally for theists only, and is generaly not the area for debate between atheists and theists. Non-theists may not post here without first obtaining permission from the moderator of this forum. Granting of such permission is subject to Moderator discretion - and may be revoked if the Moderator feels that the poster is not keeping with the spirit of the World Religions Department.
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The Kirtland Bank mess
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amazing.
btw: still waiting for your $5,000 to purchase this here box of roc-- er gold.
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WHO KNEW!!!! Kirtland Bank wasn't the ONLY banking scheme run by the Mormons!
http://www.mormonmoney.com/#
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOK! It's a deal. I will pay you $5,000 in gold, but I will keep it in a special box here at my house, where you can come and heft it to make sure it is real. We both win!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSparko! I found a diamond in my back yard! Please paypal me $5,000 and I'll keep it in safe storage in your name in a cardboard box in my closet. You can come visit me any time and I'll let you heft the cardboard box!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt's hard to believe that such a bad conman as Smith could have fooled anyone. But he did.
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It's hard to believe that such a bad conman as Smith could have fooled anyone. But he did.
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The Kirtland Bank mess
Sparko said something in another thread that reminded me of the Kirtland Bank scandal.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostSmith was all over the place with his nonsense. Wake up dude! Read your own religion's literature with a bit of skepticism and ask some hard questions. Don't just look for ways to excuse the obvious clues that Smith was a conman who decided he could live the high life by inventing a religion and getting a bunch of hicks to follow him around.
Now, in Ministry, I learned EARLY ON that the two biggest problems for ministers is "sex and money". Smith seemed to get wrapped up in both.
PART of the reason that Smith had so many red-hot-mad former followers was because of the way he SCAMMED them, either taking their wives, or cheating them out of their money.
I've been to the "Temple" at Kirtland, Oh, and it was very historically interesting, indeed. Right NEAR there was the "bank" Smith owned where he SUPPOSEDLY had vaults full of gold or valuables that he would allow his followers to "heft" in sacks to know there was "something" weighty in there (Sparko likes to call it bags of rocks) but he would not, apparently, ever let them SEE the gold or valuables --- just like he allowed people to "heft" the golden plates (all covered up) but they couldn't SEE them.
So, WHY did Smith need a "bank", and why would God allow this "bank" to go so horribly wrong?
Here is FairMormon.org's best spin on the situation (bolding mine):
So, the "Saints" do not put their trust in men, but they trusted SMITH with this crazy BANKING scheme, and the citation concludes with (paraphrased) "they're dumb enough to STILL trust fallible men"...
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