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The Kirtland Bank mess

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    The Kirtland Bank mess

    Sparko said something in another thread that reminded me of the Kirtland Bank scandal.

    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Smith was all over the place with his nonsense. Wake up dude! Read your own religion's literature with a bit of skepticism and ask some hard questions. Don't just look for ways to excuse the obvious clues that Smith was a conman who decided he could live the high life by inventing a religion and getting a bunch of hicks to follow him around.
    While many of Smith's followers were going through tough economic times, Smith came up with the idea to have his own bank to "help" his followers.

    Now, in Ministry, I learned EARLY ON that the two biggest problems for ministers is "sex and money". Smith seemed to get wrapped up in both.

    PART of the reason that Smith had so many red-hot-mad former followers was because of the way he SCAMMED them, either taking their wives, or cheating them out of their money.

    I've been to the "Temple" at Kirtland, Oh, and it was very historically interesting, indeed. Right NEAR there was the "bank" Smith owned where he SUPPOSEDLY had vaults full of gold or valuables that he would allow his followers to "heft" in sacks to know there was "something" weighty in there (Sparko likes to call it bags of rocks) but he would not, apparently, ever let them SEE the gold or valuables --- just like he allowed people to "heft" the golden plates (all covered up) but they couldn't SEE them.

    So, WHY did Smith need a "bank", and why would God allow this "bank" to go so horribly wrong?

    Here is FairMormon.org's best spin on the situation (bolding mine):

    Source: FairMormon.org


    The Kirtland Safety Society was an unwise venture that was probably illegal, though legal counsel was divided on that matter at the time. The intent of Church leaders does not seem to have been to break the law, but to solve a vexing problem which thousands of others also faced. The failure of the bank was not due to mismanagement or a desire to enrich individuals, but due to the relatively fragile nature of the time’s financial infrastructure, and the economic conditions of 1837. The lack of a charter was the KSS's biggest weakness and the most ill-advised decision connected with it. Arguably, even had the bank possessed a charter, the outcome would have been little different, save that the Church leaders would have suffered fewer legal problems and harassment.

    The Kirtland Safety Society is an excellent example of why Latter-day Saints do not put their trust in men, but in God. It also demonstrates that the Saints will continue to support fallible men as prophets of God.

    © Copyright Original Source



    So, the "Saints" do not put their trust in men, but they trusted SMITH with this crazy BANKING scheme, and the citation concludes with (paraphrased) "they're dumb enough to STILL trust fallible men"...



    And I want to get into that.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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    It's hard to believe that such a bad conman as Smith could have fooled anyone. But he did.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      It's hard to believe that such a bad conman as Smith could have fooled anyone. But he did.
      Sparko! I found a diamond in my back yard! Please paypal me $5,000 and I'll keep it in safe storage in your name in a cardboard box in my closet. You can come visit me any time and I'll let you heft the cardboard box!
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Sparko! I found a diamond in my back yard! Please paypal me $5,000 and I'll keep it in safe storage in your name in a cardboard box in my closet. You can come visit me any time and I'll let you heft the cardboard box!
        OK! It's a deal. I will pay you $5,000 in gold, but I will keep it in a special box here at my house, where you can come and heft it to make sure it is real. We both win!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          OK! It's a deal. I will pay you $5,000 in gold, but I will keep it in a special box here at my house, where you can come and heft it to make sure it is real. We both win!
          I'll tell you what ... make me a 32nd degree Mason overnight, and you got yerseff a deal!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I'll tell you what ... make me a 32nd degree Mason overnight, and you got yerseff a deal!
            Done!


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            • #7
              WHO KNEW!!!! Kirtland Bank wasn't the ONLY banking scheme run by the Mormons!

              http://www.mormonmoney.com/#
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                amazing.

                btw: still waiting for your $5,000 to purchase this here box of roc-- er gold.

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                • #9
                  It appears the Mormon Church has ALWAYS been about MONEY.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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