1. 1 Pete 3:12
a. The Greek word used for "prayers" is deesis and it is defined by Thayer as "in the N.T. requests addressed by men to God". Next to 1 Peter 3:12 he cites James 5:16. This passage also refers to praying to God.
b. The LDS teaches 1 Peter 3:12 is a prayer:
We pray! It is everyone’s sure way to know; it is everyone’s lifeline to heaven. Said the Apostle Peter, “The eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers.”18
Footnote #18: 1 Peter 3:12
https://www.lds.org/liahona/2010/05/...-09285_000_007
Do you still maintain that 1 Peter 3:12 is not a prayer?
2.2 Corinthians 12:8
Here's my evidence that this prayer was directed to the Lord Jesus:
a. NIDNTT: In this way the early church bears witness to the fact that it regards Jesus Christ as its Lord and living head, who, having conquered death, is alive for evermore. Consequently one can enter into living, personal contact with him, talking with him just as one did when he was on earth (cf. Acts 9:10-16; 2 Cor. 12:8f) (2:867, Prayer, H. Schonweiss).
c. NIDNTT: Paul also mentions the word that the exalted Lord spoke to him: "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness" (v. 9) (3:315, Revelation, W. Mundle).
b. TDNT: Paul tells us that three times he called on the risen Lord in vain for deliverance from the angel of Satan (5:794, parakalew, Schmitz).
c. Danker: 8- In view of the context, v. 9, it is probable that Paul addressed these three petitions to Christ. If such is the case, it is a unique departure from Paul's custom, which is to address God as the one who is ultimately responsible for everything (cf. 5:18; Rom. 11:33-36). Paul's Jewish liturgical tradition is still firmly entrenched, but Christ is the natural object of his petition here, for it is in the proclamation of his service for all humanity that Paul is engaged. An answer coming from Christ will indeed be especially meaningful (Augsburg Commentary on the New Testament: 2 Corinthians, page 194).
d. Vine: Prayer is properly addressed to God the Father, Matt. 6:6; John 16:23; Eph. 1:17; 3:14, and the Son, Acts 7:59; 2 Cor. 12:8 (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, Prayer, page 872).
e. Murray Harris: It is scarcely open to question that the person addressed in Paul's plea for relief from the battering of the messenger of Satan was the Lord Jesus (The New International Greek Testament Commentary, 2 Corinthians, Murray J. Harris, page 860).
f. R.T. France: In 2 Corinthians 12:8, for instance, who was the 'Lord" to whom Paul prayed? Normally his prayers are addressed to God, but "my power" in the answer to Paul's prayer appears to be identified with 'the power of Christ' (verse 9). It seems then that for Paul, Jesus was already so much identified with God that the same language was naturally applicable to each ("The Worship of Jesus - A Neglected Factor In Christological Debate?", R.T. France, Vox Evangelica, 12, c. 1981, 19-33 -> This quote here appears on page 29).
Not only do they affirm this prayer is to the Lord Jesus but they also point out the context teaches the same thing.
Let's see your evidence that this prayer was not directed to the Lord Jesus.
3. Acts 1:24
This is part of what I previously wrote concerning this passage
"Your point would be valid if there were no more prayers to the Lord Jesus after this event but that is not the case at all."
The rest of the N.T. is against your position.
4. Doxologies
Is it ok to sing TO Jesus?
5. John 5:23 - The level of their worship ought to be in equality. Terrible ploy by you attempting to sidetrack this.
6. Acts 7:59
The vision is said to have taken place inside the city while his martyrdom occurred outside of it.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
(Acts 7:55-58, KJV)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+7&version=KJV
Prove your assertion that Stephen "was looking at Jesus in vision as he died."
7. 1 Corinthians 1:2
Thanks for your opinion about what to call upon the name of the Lord means. I'll stick with how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
8. Not enough time to address 2 Nephi 25:29? It took me 4 times posting it but somehow you had time to address other things I had written about.
The Old Testament understanding of what is written is said to refer to prayer. That's how the Jews understood it as well as the Lord Jesus.
9. No it is not a doxology to the Lord Jesus by McConkie because Mormons have a false Christ. One of the reasons why is that they do not pray to Him. This is their official yet contradictory teaching. (See Post #23 I #4)
It also runs against how the words of the Bible are properly defined (See #1 and #7 above).
10. Don't forget about the prayers to the Lord Jesus that I cited in Post #29.
a. The Greek word used for "prayers" is deesis and it is defined by Thayer as "in the N.T. requests addressed by men to God". Next to 1 Peter 3:12 he cites James 5:16. This passage also refers to praying to God.
b. The LDS teaches 1 Peter 3:12 is a prayer:
We pray! It is everyone’s sure way to know; it is everyone’s lifeline to heaven. Said the Apostle Peter, “The eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers.”18
Footnote #18: 1 Peter 3:12
https://www.lds.org/liahona/2010/05/...-09285_000_007
Do you still maintain that 1 Peter 3:12 is not a prayer?
2.2 Corinthians 12:8
Here's my evidence that this prayer was directed to the Lord Jesus:
a. NIDNTT: In this way the early church bears witness to the fact that it regards Jesus Christ as its Lord and living head, who, having conquered death, is alive for evermore. Consequently one can enter into living, personal contact with him, talking with him just as one did when he was on earth (cf. Acts 9:10-16; 2 Cor. 12:8f) (2:867, Prayer, H. Schonweiss).
c. NIDNTT: Paul also mentions the word that the exalted Lord spoke to him: "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness" (v. 9) (3:315, Revelation, W. Mundle).
b. TDNT: Paul tells us that three times he called on the risen Lord in vain for deliverance from the angel of Satan (5:794, parakalew, Schmitz).
c. Danker: 8- In view of the context, v. 9, it is probable that Paul addressed these three petitions to Christ. If such is the case, it is a unique departure from Paul's custom, which is to address God as the one who is ultimately responsible for everything (cf. 5:18; Rom. 11:33-36). Paul's Jewish liturgical tradition is still firmly entrenched, but Christ is the natural object of his petition here, for it is in the proclamation of his service for all humanity that Paul is engaged. An answer coming from Christ will indeed be especially meaningful (Augsburg Commentary on the New Testament: 2 Corinthians, page 194).
d. Vine: Prayer is properly addressed to God the Father, Matt. 6:6; John 16:23; Eph. 1:17; 3:14, and the Son, Acts 7:59; 2 Cor. 12:8 (Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, Prayer, page 872).
e. Murray Harris: It is scarcely open to question that the person addressed in Paul's plea for relief from the battering of the messenger of Satan was the Lord Jesus (The New International Greek Testament Commentary, 2 Corinthians, Murray J. Harris, page 860).
f. R.T. France: In 2 Corinthians 12:8, for instance, who was the 'Lord" to whom Paul prayed? Normally his prayers are addressed to God, but "my power" in the answer to Paul's prayer appears to be identified with 'the power of Christ' (verse 9). It seems then that for Paul, Jesus was already so much identified with God that the same language was naturally applicable to each ("The Worship of Jesus - A Neglected Factor In Christological Debate?", R.T. France, Vox Evangelica, 12, c. 1981, 19-33 -> This quote here appears on page 29).
Not only do they affirm this prayer is to the Lord Jesus but they also point out the context teaches the same thing.
Let's see your evidence that this prayer was not directed to the Lord Jesus.
3. Acts 1:24
This is part of what I previously wrote concerning this passage
"Your point would be valid if there were no more prayers to the Lord Jesus after this event but that is not the case at all."
The rest of the N.T. is against your position.
4. Doxologies
Is it ok to sing TO Jesus?
5. John 5:23 - The level of their worship ought to be in equality. Terrible ploy by you attempting to sidetrack this.
6. Acts 7:59
The vision is said to have taken place inside the city while his martyrdom occurred outside of it.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
(Acts 7:55-58, KJV)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+7&version=KJV
Prove your assertion that Stephen "was looking at Jesus in vision as he died."
7. 1 Corinthians 1:2
Thanks for your opinion about what to call upon the name of the Lord means. I'll stick with how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
8. Not enough time to address 2 Nephi 25:29? It took me 4 times posting it but somehow you had time to address other things I had written about.
The Old Testament understanding of what is written is said to refer to prayer. That's how the Jews understood it as well as the Lord Jesus.
9. No it is not a doxology to the Lord Jesus by McConkie because Mormons have a false Christ. One of the reasons why is that they do not pray to Him. This is their official yet contradictory teaching. (See Post #23 I #4)
It also runs against how the words of the Bible are properly defined (See #1 and #7 above).
10. Don't forget about the prayers to the Lord Jesus that I cited in Post #29.
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