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John 17:5. What is the view on how this should be interpreted?

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    John 17:5. What is the view on how this should be interpreted?

    What is the view on how this should be interpreted?

    John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

    John 17:5 NASB95 - "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

    I am not a Trinitarian, but I am not a Jehovah's Witness.
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    Originally posted by JacobMartinMertens View Post
    What is the view on how this should be interpreted?

    John 17:5 NASB20 - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

    John 17:5 NASB95 - "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

    I am not a Trinitarian, but I am not a Jehovah's Witness.
    In context.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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      Originally posted by JacobMartinMertens View Post
      What is the view on how this should be interpreted?

      <a href="https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=John+17.5&amp;t=NASB20" target="BLB_NW" rel="NASB20.John.17.5" class="BLBST_a" style="white-space: nowrap;">John 17:5 NASB20</a> - "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

      <a href="https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=John+17.5&amp;t=NASB95" target="BLB_NW" rel="NASB95.John.17.5" class="BLBST_a" style="white-space: nowrap;">John 17:5 NASB95</a> - "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

      I am not a Trinitarian, but I am not a Jehovah's Witness.
      It is one of the many verses that support Kenotic Christology (click the blue text to transfer to the linked discussion.)
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
      .
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.
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        Originally posted by tabibito View Post

        It is one of the many verses that support Kenotic Christology (click the blue text to transfer to the linked discussion.)
        In the first box in that thread I read basically that the viewpoint includes that Jesus is omniscient, which I do not believe.

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          Originally posted by JacobMartinMertens View Post

          In the first box in that thread I read basically that the viewpoint includes that Jesus is omniscient, which I do not believe.
          The boxed quote is an introduction for the discussion. I can't find an inference of omniscience in the text, unless omniscience is automatically considered a prerequisite for godhood. Jesus certainly was not omniscient, but whether Logos had that faculty is not under consideration in the quote.
          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
          .
          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
          Scripture before Tradition:
          but that won't prevent others from
          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
          of the right to call yourself Christian.
          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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