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Are Followers of Islam Discovering Jesus as Messiah

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Doctor Bob Utley, one of my Seminary Professors from years gone by, was talking the other day and I didn't catch the setting -- where he was speaking or to whom.

    One of the points he was making, however, was that there is a movement among Muslims that seems to be most prevalent during Ramadan as Muslims spend more time in prayer, whereby Muslims -- especially younger ones -- are receiving visions and having dreams where Jesus is telling them to go talk to people, usually Christian Missionaries or Pastors.

    I have been trying to source this beyond something I heard on the radio, but so far have been unable to do so. I do remember him mentioning a book called Mission Frontiers, but the closest thing I come to that is an online magazine called Mission Frontiers.

    Absent from these visions is any concept of the Trinity, but it sounds like the immediate result of this "movement" is that Muslims are realizing that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is necessary for Salvation.

    Anybody know anything about this?
    Historically and scripturally the Messianic tradition has been with Islam since the beginning, including the return of Christ. Essentially in Islam there is succession of Messiahs including Mohammed.
    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

    go with the flow the river knows . . .

    Frank

    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Siam,

      We're not talking about "onesies and twosies" converting from Islam - this thread is about THOUSANDS, often whole villages, converting to Christianity. And it's not about becoming atheists --- it's about Muslims coming to Jesus.

      It's about documented "movements" of 1,000 or more Muslims at a time, and the starting of 100 or more Churches in a "movement", with MANY such movements taking place in recent years.

      If you'd like to start a thread about Muslims turning to atheism, please feel free to do that, OK?

      Thanks

      CP
      Conversion to Christianity is a different story.
      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

      go with the flow the river knows . . .

      Frank

      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
        Historically and scripturally the Messianic tradition has been with Islam since the beginning, including the return of Christ. Essentially in Islam there is succession of Messiahs including Mohammed.
        Yeah, that's totally not what we're talking about here.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
          Yeah, that's totally not what we're talking about here.
          Yeah!
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #20
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            Historically and scripturally the Messianic tradition has been with Islam since the beginning, including the return of Christ. Essentially in Islam there is succession of Messiahs including Mohammed.

            I think you are projecting your Baha'i beliefs onto Islam. Everything I've ever seen points to Islam seeing Jesus as the Messiah, just not understanding what that really means. Mohammed is never described as the Messiah, or even as a Messiah of some kind. He's only ever described as Allah's Prophet of Messenger.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

              I think you are projecting your Baha'i beliefs onto Islam. Everything I've ever seen points to Islam seeing Jesus as the Messiah, just not understanding what that really means. Mohammed is never described as the Messiah, or even as a Messiah of some kind. He's only ever described as Allah's Prophet of Messenger.
              I was speaking with Siam in another thread, and he said something to the effect that there are two types of prophets, but Jesus gets a different title, and it is messiah.
              Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                I was speaking with Siam in another thread, and he said something to the effect that there are two types of prophets, but Jesus gets a different title, and it is messiah.
                But did this "messiah" lead a sinless life and die on a cross to atone for the sins of the world? Did he die and rise again?
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #23
                  Yes, they may have even copied Jesus unique title as the "Messiah", but islam has lost its Old Testament meaning and made that title practically null and void, tragically for our muslim friends.

                  It lost the real meaning because muhamed was illiterate and ignorant of the proper, complete contents of the Torah, Psalms and Gospel.



                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  But did this "messiah" lead a sinless life and die on a cross to atone for the sins of the world? Did he die and rise again?

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