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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Thou shalt not strap on a suicide vest and murder a bunch of innocent people.
    Or tell Christians in Iraq that they must convert, pay a high tax, or die by the sword...

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    The Golden Rule to Becoming Better People Through Religious Practices.
    Thou shalt not strap on a suicide vest and murder a bunch of innocent people.

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  • siam
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    The Golden Rule to Becoming Better People Through Religious Practices

    By Ameena Jandali and Dr. Henry Millstein

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmusl...ous-practices/

    As we near the end of Ramadan, it is appropriate to reflect on the purpose of this sacred month. Throughout the month, Muslims have engaged in a number of special spiritual practices, including fasting, supererogatory prayers and the reading of the Quran. All of these actions are aimed at achieving ihsan, an Arabic term that means simultaneously the perfecting of one’s character, the deepening of one’s relationship with God and the perfecting of good conduct towards fellow human beings.
    While Muslims, like other religious practitioners, are often painstakingly meticulous in their focus on and adherence to the specific rituals and acts of worship that are meant to lead to ihsan, it is often the actualization of ihsan where human beings fall short, thereby missing one of the most important purposes of our religious endeavors. Whether something as mundane as overlooking the needs of others when serving oneself at a Ramadan dinner, to the worst example of contravening ihsan through violence against others — this is the pivotal issue for religious communities today and the reason that religious practitioners often have a bad reputation in an increasingly secular world.
    Central to ihsan is the readiness to treat others as you want them to treat you, the ethic expressed by various forms of the “Golden Rule” in virtually all religious traditions. The classic Western expression of this “ethic of reciprocity,” as it is called, is found in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke (7:12 and 6:31 respectively): “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
    The Jewish tradition expresses a similar idea in negative form: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. (Talmud Shabbat 31a)” This saying is attributed to the great sage Hillel, a contemporary of Jesus, who reportedly uttered it when a Gentile offered to convert to Judaism if Hillel could teach him the whole Torah while standing on one foot.
    The most pointed Muslim expression of the ethic of reciprocity is found in a hadith or, a saying of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh): “Not one of you is a believer until he wishes for his brother/sister what he wishes for himself. (An-Nawawi 13)” This version of the Golden Rule adds depth to the Christian and Jewish versions; while the latter refer solely to outward behavior, the Muslim version speaks to an inward dimension: The believer must not only do what the other wants but must desire what the other desires. Implied here is the idea that right actions must spring from right character. In other words, this saying speaks directly to the concept of ihsan that is central to the observance of Ramadan and indeed to the whole endeavor of Muslim spirituality.
    This connection between inner character and outward behavior is, of course, also a mainstay of Jewish and Christian traditions. In rabbinic texts, Rabbi Akiva, agreeing with Hillel that the commandment of love of neighbor (Leviticus 19:8) is the foundation of the Torah, grounds the commandment in the common nature that all human beings share from Adam. In other words, it is the inner realization of our shared human nature that impels us to love of neighbor (a term the rabbis interpreted to mean all humanity, including foreigners.) In Christianity, Jesus’ insistence on inner righteousness is central to his message: “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. (Matthew 12:34)”
    Hindu tradition likewise affirms the bond between inner character and the observance of the Golden Rule. In the great Indian epic the Mahabharata, the wise minister Vidura advises his king as follows: “Listening to wise scriptures, austerity, sacrifice, respectful faith, social welfare, forgiveness, purity of intent, compassion, truth and self-control — are the ten wealths of character… Hence, (keeping these in mind), by self-control and by making dharma (right conduct) your main focus, treat others as you treat yourself. (Shanti-parva 167.9)”
    A classic Buddhist expression of the ethic of reciprocity also affirms the connection between inner and outer: “Look where you will, there is nothing dearer to man than himself; therefore, as it is the same thing that is dear to you and to others, hurt not others with what pains yourself. (Udanavarga 5:18)” Here, the observance of the Golden Rule springs from the inner realization of one’s commonality with fellow human beings — echoing the Muslim and Jewish view that humanity’s common descent from Adam is the root of the commandment of love.
    In all these traditions, the Golden Rule, the touchstone of human character, rests on the harmony of inner spirit and outward behavior; and the imperative of love and compassion is a major motivation for the inward cultivation of the spirit. All our traditions affirm that without that inward cultivation—the fundamental goal of all religions—our behavior towards others will always ring hollow—and even worse, directly contravene our religious teachings. This cultivation of spirit, while not exclusive to religion, is nonetheless one of religion’s primary gifts to humankind. In this season, sacred to the second-largest religious community in the world, people of all faiths have the obligation to remind firstly themselves, and secondly others, of religion’s role in promoting a spirit and practice of true brotherly/sisterly love, compassion and harmony.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    When we are deluded we can make statements based on false premises.
    I agree you are deluded.

    Such statements would be false, untruthful, wrong, incorrect.....need I go on....?.....
    Feel free -- you have the credibility of Baghdad Bob -- he was a lot of fun.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I absolutely deny it.

    Perhaps I can get through to you another way............(If not, I will give up )

    If I were to make this statement....would you agree to it....?....

    America ALONE among today's modern nations has murder and terrorism as an acceptable "tool" of "evangelism".
    (the ideology they would be "evangelizing" would be Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism)
    Examples of terrorism and murder-------
    Drone terrorism---where innocent men women and children are murdered---used in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia and perhaps in the Philippines.
    Extraordinary renditions---Foreign civilians are kidnapped off the streets and tortured at "Black Sites", CIA run prisons
    Covert ops, black ops, CIA operations----were Armed Americans interfere (including assassinations) in foreign territories/nations to destabilize and exploit. example, South America.
    Wars of Aggression---were Americans attack another country on false pretenses. examples....Iraq, Afghanistan.
    ...and so forth.......


    When we are deluded we can make statements based on false premises. Such statements would be false, untruthful, wrong, incorrect.....need I go on....?.....
    You know, Siam, I've yet to see you say anything positive in this thread about the Jews in Israel, or attempt to sympathize with the attrocities committed against them by the terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ... have a spiritual kick
    What the heck is that?

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  • siam
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    Ramadan 2014 – What My Catholic Friends Taught Me About Fasting
    By Tahera Rahman
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/altmusl...about-fasting/

    Yesterday two of my Catholic friends (Stephanie and Caitlin) decided to fast the day with me. They wanted to feel the experience, have a spiritual kick and gain empathy with Muslims.
    Initially, our text messages throughout the day were all about the shock of eating at 3:00 a.m., the caffeine-deprivation-induced fatigue and the on-and-off dry mouth. But when we all met after work to discuss their experiences, many deeper understandings came forth. I’ve also had these observations and epiphanies at some point in my life, but the experience with my friends made me wonder — how long has it been since I’ve reflected on my own fasts?
    In these precious last weeks of Ramadan, let us all recommit to our fasts (myself, first and foremost). Perhaps we can make the most of our remaining days by reflecting daily on some of the following points made by my friends:
    Community
    “The community of faith is something that always evokes a strong emotional response in me. The world can be a very dark place (and a very beautiful one as well), and I think it is really important to recognize a higher power during your life to help you through the dark and celebrate the light. Any action that brings together people who are like-minded, spiritual individuals to connect over a fundamental belief in a higher power (and recognize that they are a part of something greater than themselves) is beyond words.
    “Sometimes it seems as though tradition is what separates us religiously, ethnically, etc., but in reality I think these ritual traditions at their core have the same purpose and can show us how similar we all are.”
    Stephanie said that knowing that she was fasting with others around the globe made her feel unified with the roughly 1.6 billion other Muslims around the world. Caitlin also said this was her most important takeaway from fasting. It made them appreciate tradition and ritual, and especially the communal aspect of those practices.
    When was the last time we reflected on the vastness of the Muslim Ummah, or even made a prayer for each other? When was the last time we remember being excited for our ritual prayers and congregations?
    Today, ask yourself — am I fostering my connection with the brothers and sisters in my community? In the world? Did I speak to another fellow brother or sister at iftar today, or did I eat in silence and scurry home right afterward? Am I connecting with my fasting companions in Gaza, Syria, Burma, Iraq, Nigeria, through words of supplication or activism?
    Deprivation
    “From a scientific perspective, it’s really cool to see what happens to your body when it goes through something it’s not used to.”
    Caitlin could feel the effects of fasting after just a few hours and understood that what you do has a direct effect on how your body feels and reacts. It’s an incentive, she said, to take better care of yourself and be appreciative of what your body can do because it’s more resilient than you think.
    How often do we, as Muslims, think about the miracle of the human body? Our souls rest inside bodies that work in such complex ways, about which doctors and scientists are still constantly making new discoveries.
    Today, ask yourself – do I take care of my body, on loan to me from God, or did I engorge myself at iftar time? Am I going to use this tongue He gave me to respond with kindness or react with harshness?
    Empowerment
    “I think that I felt like committing myself to being disciplined about something uncomfortable felt empowering.”
    Caitlin learned that she could control her hunger, which led her to think, “What else can I control?” She said she made an effort to control her tongue, and was very conscious of her effort to refrain from swearing at certain points of her day.
    Are we thinking about how our fasting is a daily and hourly disciplinary exercise? What other aspects of our lives can we apply this discipline to?
    Today, ask yourself – Am I complaining about my empty stomach to anyone will listen throughout the day? Or am I using each pang of hunger to renew my intention? Am I countering each pang of hunger with a reminder of each blessing in my life? What other aspects of my behavior could use some discipline?
    Empathy
    “I thought a lot about those who fast every day, but not by choice.”
    Stephanie knew that, at the end of the day, she would be breaking her fast — even in the middle of the day, if she really wanted to have water or a cracker, she said she could have easily do so because those resources were readily at her disposal. Fasting made her feel more fortunate for the things she has. “When it comes down to it, the life I lead is very excessive,” she said.
    Today, ask yourself – What is one thing in my life that I can probably live without? Can I limit my closet to X number of sweaters, shirts, pants and donate the rest? What are other ways I can simplify things in my life and partake in charity and charitable actions for the sake of others?

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    In other words, you cannot give a clear and concise answer, because you would have to admit that Islam ALONE among today's modern religions has murder and suicide as an acceptable "tool" of "evangelism"
    I absolutely deny it.

    Perhaps I can get through to you another way............(If not, I will give up )

    If I were to make this statement....would you agree to it....?....

    America ALONE among today's modern nations has murder and terrorism as an acceptable "tool" of "evangelism".
    (the ideology they would be "evangelizing" would be Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism)
    Examples of terrorism and murder-------
    Drone terrorism---where innocent men women and children are murdered---used in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Somalia and perhaps in the Philippines.
    Extraordinary renditions---Foreign civilians are kidnapped off the streets and tortured at "Black Sites", CIA run prisons
    Covert ops, black ops, CIA operations----were Armed Americans interfere (including assassinations) in foreign territories/nations to destabilize and exploit. example, South America.
    Wars of Aggression---were Americans attack another country on false pretenses. examples....Iraq, Afghanistan.
    ...and so forth.......


    When we are deluded we can make statements based on false premises. Such statements would be false, untruthful, wrong, incorrect.....need I go on....?.....

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    If the premise the question is based on is that Islam/Muslims are somehow alien/incomprehensible and therefore their motivations and actions are alien/incomprehensible---in other words---not human....then such a premise would be incorrect.
    Questions based on incorrect premises do not have correct answers---so......that's that.......



    ...but.....

    part of the question is interesting....what religions have soldiers acting in its name?........and what does that say about religion and human nature.....

    Buddhism---look at Chinese and Japanese history and you will find warrior monks. Monks have a responsibility to protect their Dharma (Divine law/religion). They also have a concept called "compassionate killing"
    More recently, Buddhist are murdering and setting fire to Rohingya Muslims, led by a Buddhist monk.

    Christianity---Knights Templar, a Christian military order. (Crusades)
    More recently, an Evangelical Christian sect of the U.S. military passed out Jesus coins and Bibles/Bible verses at gunpoint to Iraqis.

    Hinduism---I understand Battles (for justice) are in their sacred books the Mahabharata and the Baghavad Gita (?)
    More recently, a militant organization called the RSS, following a supremacist Hindu ideology called Hindutva, conducted a genocide in an Indian state.

    Judaism---The Torah has a story of God's command to war against the Canaanites (?)
    More recently, Israeli actions against Palestinians. (also look up militant Zionism/militant Zionist groups)

    Islam---The Quran asks people to defend against oppression and for justice.
    More recently, the bloody mess in the Middle East. (Al-Qaeda, ISIS,...)

    Yet, as far as I know, in all recent instances, good people (of that religion/region) HAVE stood up and protested.

    Focusing on religion alone would be incomplete because human beings have also used ideologies as justifications, such as killings under Communism, as well as wars in the name of Democracy.
    so, we might generalize that no matter how much good or wisdom might exist in a religion/philosophy/ideology--some people, in every generation, will twist it to justify their bad conduct. This means striving for justice and against oppression and corruption (Jihad) is a struggle every generation of humanity must face. The greater Jihad is fighting our inner corruption. A quote from Leo Tolstoy---"Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself". Ramadan is an opportunity for inner contemplation and change. When each of us does what we can do, perhaps we can contribute to a better world...?.... The Talmud has some good advice to offer every generation of humanity.....

    "Do not be daunted by the enormity of the worlds grief.
    Do Justly now,
    Love mercy now
    Walk humbly now
    You are not obligated to complete the work,
    but neither are you free to abandon it."
    In other words, you cannot give a clear and concise answer, because you would have to admit that Islam ALONE among today's modern religions has murder and suicide as an acceptable "tool" of "evangelism".



    But, please, feel free to continue to twist in the wind.

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    What other religion, besides Islam, has armed soldiers and terrorists acting it its name without a CLEAR call from the leadership for it to stop?
    If the premise the question is based on is that Islam/Muslims are somehow alien/incomprehensible and therefore their motivations and actions are alien/incomprehensible---in other words---not human....then such a premise would be incorrect.
    Questions based on incorrect premises do not have correct answers---so......that's that.......



    ...but.....

    part of the question is interesting....what religions have soldiers acting in its name?........and what does that say about religion and human nature.....

    Buddhism---look at Chinese and Japanese history and you will find warrior monks. Monks have a responsibility to protect their Dharma (Divine law/religion). They also have a concept called "compassionate killing"
    More recently, Buddhist are murdering and setting fire to Rohingya Muslims, led by a Buddhist monk.

    Christianity---Knights Templar, a Christian military order. (Crusades)
    More recently, an Evangelical Christian sect of the U.S. military passed out Jesus coins and Bibles/Bible verses at gunpoint to Iraqis.

    Hinduism---I understand Battles (for justice) are in their sacred books the Mahabharata and the Baghavad Gita (?)
    More recently, a militant organization called the RSS, following a supremacist Hindu ideology called Hindutva, conducted a genocide in an Indian state.

    Judaism---The Torah has a story of God's command to war against the Canaanites (?)
    More recently, Israeli actions against Palestinians. (also look up militant Zionism/militant Zionist groups)

    Islam---The Quran asks people to defend against oppression and for justice.
    More recently, the bloody mess in the Middle East. (Al-Qaeda, ISIS,...)

    Yet, as far as I know, in all recent instances, good people (of that religion/region) HAVE stood up and protested.

    Focusing on religion alone would be incomplete because human beings have also used ideologies as justifications, such as killings under Communism, as well as wars in the name of Democracy.
    so, we might generalize that no matter how much good or wisdom might exist in a religion/philosophy/ideology--some people, in every generation, will twist it to justify their bad conduct. This means striving for justice and against oppression and corruption (Jihad) is a struggle every generation of humanity must face. The greater Jihad is fighting our inner corruption. A quote from Leo Tolstoy---"Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself". Ramadan is an opportunity for inner contemplation and change. When each of us does what we can do, perhaps we can contribute to a better world...?.... The Talmud has some good advice to offer every generation of humanity.....

    "Do not be daunted by the enormity of the worlds grief.
    Do Justly now,
    Love mercy now
    Walk humbly now
    You are not obligated to complete the work,
    but neither are you free to abandon it."

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I'm afraid that's the answer you'll get from me.
    Well, let's focus on the question rather than your long rambling non-answer ....

    What other religion, besides Islam, has armed soldiers and terrorists acting it its name without a CLEAR call from the leadership for it to stop?

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  • siam
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    Ramadan is about learning to control/manage desires. As a Muslim I find much wisdom in the Quran but wisdom can also be found in many other places. Ramadan is a time to strive for personal spirituality and reflections on the many wisdom passed down to humanity can help.

    Perhaps this passage from the Bible may be appropriate in our reflections on God's will and how to achieve it......

    1 John 2:15-17New International Version (NIV)

    On Not Loving the World
    15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[a] is not in them. 16 For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever.

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    What other religion, besides Islam, has armed soldiers and terrorists acting it its name without a CLEAR call from the leadership for it to stop?

    Please don't give me that hokey "everybody does it".
    I'm afraid that's the answer you'll get from me.



    It is always easier to blame others--often the West blames Islam/Muslims and Muslims blame the West....here is another perspective from Uganda. A diversity of opinions and perspectives may make us more compassionate and tolerant towards the various human experiences........
    (I am not from Uganda so this is not my experience/perspective.)

    From The Observer by Hajji Abasi Kiyimba.

    The fasting of the holy month of Ramadhan is on. I would like to congratulate all Muslims for yet another opportunity to rejuvenate their faith, and to rededicate themselves to their creator, thus reaffirming their awareness of the reason for which they were created.

    This year, Ramadan comes at a time when the Muslim Ummah in Uganda, as is the case elsewhere in the world, is trying to re-assert its identity in the face of others trying to define them.

    As we speak, however, the Ummah does not speak with one voice on the major issues that matter to their welfare. It presents a tragic image of a ship without a captain, floating in a state of helplessness and desperation.

    The Muslim world represents one-fifth of humanity, occupies a global land mass spreading over 57 countries, and possesses 70 per cent of the world’s energy resources and nearly 50 per cent of the world’s natural resources. This should make it a global giant, economically and politically.

    However, while some of them are sitting on the world’s largest oil and gas reserves, many Muslim countries are poor, and are only nominally independent, without genuine political and economic freedom.

    Their citizens are greatly dispossessed, and have for long been the victims of authoritarian rule. Their rulers are all at the mercy of the USA for their political strength and survival, and are responsible for the current political, economic and military subservience of their countries to the West.

    While peace is the essence of Islam, Muslim nations have seen very little of it. In many of these countries, leaders are engaged in proxy wars, and in the majority of cases, their own citizens are the direct victims. The tragedies in Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq and Afghanistan represent the continuing helplessness of the Muslim world in this regard.

    For a long time, and especially after 9/11, Islam as a religion has been demonised and accused of complicity or involvement in terrorist activities. The world seems to have forgotten that there are legitimate struggles by Muslims to free themselves from oppression. Instead, Islam is being blamed for everything that goes wrong in any part of the world.

    Images of alleged atrocities by Boko Haram, al-Shabab, al-Qaeda in the Maghreb, often carefully constructed by Western media, are used to define Islam to unsuspecting non-Muslims, young children and uncritical Muslim adults. As a result, many Muslims have been psychologically beaten. Palestine is tired and has given up. Kashmir is devastated. Pakistan is in confusion, with a leadership crisis at home, and external pressure abroad. Afghanistan is yet to breathe.

    Algeria is in limbo, and Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are in slumber, under Western anaesthesia. Iran stands notified of eminent military action; and Turkey is under 24-hour watch, with its apparent Islamic re-awakening causing concern in many Western capitals. Iraq, Lebanon, Libya and Syria are burning, and Egypt is seated on a time-bomb. These are critical times for the Muslim world.

    Things will not change unless the Muslim world wakes up and puts its house in order. It must shake itself back to reality, and take control of its own destiny through unity and a return to Islamic basics. The current debate on the Uganda Muslim Brothers and Sisters and elsewhere over the Kabwegyere, Mpezamihigo, Kanyeihamba and many other reports that will come is a sign of a community under psychological siege.

    I note that lots of Muslim energies are being expended on the support, defence and demonising of one group or the other in the leadership divide. And yet our information is that all groups report to the same ‘anti-Muslim’ master.

    As we immerse ourselves deeper into intra-community conflict, let us remember that there are other areas where the community is ill at ease. In many Christian-led schools, including those financed by the Ugandan taxpayer, the levels of anti-Muslim intolerance continue to rise.

    Muslim children are being denied the right to pray and fast, or even to identify themselves as Muslims, while others are enticed to convert from Islam. At the same time, there is the continuing neglect and mismanagement in our own schools, on which many of you have had the opportunity to comment. We are also aware of the current attempt to disenfranchise our sisters by forcing to take off the veil in order to take photographs for passports, national identity cards, driving permits, and others.

    At Makerere University, there have been attempts by some lecturers to prevent Muslim students from accessing the examination rooms while dressed in Hijab. While this move does not have institutional policy support, I have had occasion to overhear chorus support from some quarters within the university membership for the renegade lecturers engaged in this affront.

    We should also not forget that our dismal representation in organs of government, including the civil service, the KCCA, and others, is not accidental. So is our absence from many boards and commissions, significantly including the Central Scholarships Committee in the ministry of Education.

    Experiences like these should remind us that the war against Islam still rages on many fronts, while we fight petty leadership wars. The holy month of Ramadan is our opportunity to reflect upon these issues. Let’s us renew our commitment to the Uganda Muslim Supreme Council as the umbrella body for all Muslims of Uganda, and dialogue transparently and constrictively about its leadership.

    The author is the national chairman of Uganda Muslim Youth Assembly (UMYA) .
    http://observer.ug/index.php?option=...ters&Itemid=66

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Ok. But that still doesn't excuse the Christian or the Jew from participating in a ritual that is considered pagan to the Christian and the Jew. My Jewish best friend's synagogue in San Antonio proposed hosting an iftar to their elder board, which he is a member of. Not a single one could find Torah approval to host such an event once he challenged them on it.

    If your friend spoke with the intention of being true to his religion and not out of prejudice, then I can respect his choice. As a Muslim, I too have had this struggle.

    However, our (human) creativity is our biggest asset and we can find creative solutions to our problems("Ijtihad"=Arabic)---here is one where Jews and Muslims fast together as Muslims honor Ramadan and Jews honor Tammuz.
    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/deacons...promote-peace/
    http://forusa.org/blogs/for/global-s...e-israel/12986

    Pagan religion--Perhaps some people may perceive Islam as a pagan religion---I understand some prominent Christian Americans have stated that Muslims worship a moon-god----But others accept Islam as part of the Abrahamic family of religions--all of which worship the same ONE God.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I agree with what you are saying.....violence and destruction seem rampant these days...and with it comes injustice, hate, oppression...... The participants come in all nationalities and religions.
    What other religion, besides Islam, has armed soldiers and terrorists acting it its name without a CLEAR call from the leadership for it to stop?

    Please don't give me that hokey "everybody does it".

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