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  • siam
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    Muslim Brotherhood---I may agree with you that there are some extremists in the Muslim Brotherhood. Not all MB are extremists. The particular situation you are referring to happened some time back and from what I understand, those "gangs" attacking the churches and mosques may have been MB or may have been recruited by the Egyptian military. During this time the Egyptian Muslims were protecting the Churches and their Christian Brothers and the Christians were protecting the Mosques and their Muslim brothers. (Saudi's were also massively funding the (radical) "Islamists" of the region)
    Here is one article out of many that shows what was actually happening on the ground----
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php...ecting-mosques

    "I heard a lot of dialogues between Christians and Muslims. I felt the warmth of real cohesion and unity against the new danger, and knew that there is no difference between our needs and destiny because everyone was there to protect the House of God.

    I walked among the crowds and heard a Christian man say to a Muslim one: ‘They want to make discord between us and they think we will fight each other because of what they’re doing. Let them come now to see how we stand united. They do not belong to any religion because they come to burn and destroy the House of God’.

    The Muslim man replied saying: My brother, we all know this, but even if this was your own home we will all defend it."

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  • Cow Poke
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    Here is how Muslims respect Christian Churches

    church 1.jpg
    church 2.jpg
    church 3.jpg
    church 4.jpg
    christian church.jpg

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    There are approximately 1,500 Christians in Gaza. Mosques stand next to churches along the thin coastal enclave.
    What an idiot -- look at what your murderous thug friends are doing to Christians and Christian Churches in areas they actually control. What a gutless coward you are to hide behind "Christians in Gaza".

    Source: TheDailyBeast


    The Muslim Brotherhood’s War on Coptic Christians
    Brutal murders, looting and burning, Facebook rumors. Egypt’s Islamist party is leading a campaign of deadly lies against the country’s Christian minority as the world watches.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is showing the world its true colors.

    The group that “renounced violence” in an effort to gain political power is engaged in a full-scale campaign of terror against Egypt’s Christian minority. Brotherhood leaders have incited their followers to attack Christian homes, shops, schools and churches throughout the country. Samuel Tadros, an Egyptian scholar with the Hudson Institute, told me these attacks are the worst violence against the Coptic Church since the 14th century.

    The news coming out of Egypt is staggering. USA Today reports that “forty churches have been looted and torched, while 23 others have been attacked and heavily damaged” in one week. According to the Coptic Orthodox and Catholic churches in Egypt, 160 Christian-owned buildings have also been attacked.

    © Copyright Original Source

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ---Below are other voices from Christian Palestinians who say they will not leave their homes because it is their homeland.
    So they need to tell those idiot neanderthal (with apologies to actual neanderthals wherever they may be) murders to stop firing missiles into Israel, and stop voting for the idiots that get them killed!

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Israel wants to eliminate Christian and Muslim Palestinians
    You can spew forth ignorance, and post supporting videos, but that means nothing. Your bloodthirsty scumbag cohorts saw the heads off of human beings. What can be more barbaric than that?

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  • siam
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    Israel wants to eliminate Christian and Muslim Palestinians---its in the videos I posted. Its also in the statements and opinions of Israeli leaders of the past---according to Israeli historians. Its also the opinion of Christian Palestinians. Many Jews who have realized this fact are also supporting Palestinians and I have posted their voices too.

    ---Below are other voices from Christian Palestinians who say they will not leave their homes because it is their homeland.

    Last week, Gaza’s Greek Orthodox Church also sustained damage by Israeli artillery shelling. Fifteen graves were damaged and damage was also caused to the Church’s sole hearse, says Kamel Ayyad, a parish member.

    “The world must realise that Israel’s missiles don’t differentiate between Christians and Muslims,” said Abu.

    At the memorial service a sad young man surrounded by attendees dressed in black gave a speech on behalf of the Greek Orthodox community and questioned the position of the international community in dealing with Israel’s crimes.

    “Here is a Palestinian, an Arab, a Christian woman, martyred by Israeli shelling,” he said. “Bombs slammed into us and killed without differentiating between civilians and combatants,” he adds.


    Christians and Muslims both helped to carry the coffin to the grave (AA)
    Father Manuel Musallam, a former priest of the Latin Church, has always been an advocate for Palestinian unity.

    “When they destroy your mosques, call your prayers from our churches”.

    There are approximately 1,500 Christians in Gaza. Mosques stand next to churches along the thin coastal enclave. George Ayyad, a relative of Jalila, rejects the idea that Christians will leave Gaza after this incident.

    “This is exactly what the Israelis want, but where should we go?” he questions, before he continues “This is my homeland and we are Christians here in Gaza for more than 1,000 years and we will remain.”

    - See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/ga....ZhHjs7qv.dpuf

    If we accept that Jews have a right to a homeland and this homeland is in the geographic location of Palestine, then we MUST also accept that the Palestinians have a right to their homeland as well---and until Israel acknowledges this right and gives full rights of return and full compensation to Palestinians, this is a case of unjustly stealing land from the original inhabitants for their own selfish greed. Israel must also lift the occupation, remove all illegal settlers and barriers, and compensate Palestinians for all war crimes and destruction as well as help rebuild the territory. (I prefer the one-state solution)

    I do not sympathize with "terrorists" whatever that label might mean---after all---the very Taliban/Al Qaeda fighters that are now called terrorists were "freedom fighters when they were fighting the Russians. Many Irish Americans sympathized and supported the Irish "terrorists" when they were fighting the British, Nelson Mandela who was fighting for African rights and dignity was a "terrorists" according to Americans.----I support Justice and those causes in which people are fighting for Justice and against Oppression.

    When two "terrorists" were running loose in Boston---the U.S. did not bomb Boston to bits and kill thousands of civilians in order to catch those terrorists---Yet that is exactly what the U.S. did in Iraq and Afghanistan---they indiscriminately bombed cities and populated areas. ----Prejudice makes Americans blind to the fact that those people are your family in Humanity, that they deserve to live just as much as the people of Boston do not deserve to be bombed---and the Palestinian children both Christians and Muslims also deserve to live too!!! Thankfully, more and more people around the world are finally recognizing this truth and protesting against the inhumanity of IDF....(including the IDF soldiers themselves)

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Did you actually type that with a straight face?

    'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian

    movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is

    Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of

    Palestine.' (Article 6)




    'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

    obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)


    You support these terrorists. Admit it and save the long winded obfuscations
    Don't forget Article 13

    [Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.


    Or Article 7

    The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.

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  • tabibito
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    2) Israel wants to eliminate Palestine. Israel wants its Palestinian Christian and Muslim population gone from land it arbitrarily claims for itself.---and this is from Israels own history. It deliberately targets or terrorizes civilians both during peace time and during war---especially children.
    When he comes back with facts instead of propaganda, maybe he'll have something to say worth reading.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I smell a terrorist loyalist.
    And here he is!
    Originally posted by siam View Post
    1) Prejudice leads to hate and hate leads to dehumanization
    Yes, Hamas is full of prejudice and hate, and wants to destroy Israel. And some people are just too dumb to realize that.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    2) Israel wants to eliminate Palestine.
    Did you actually type that with a straight face?

    'The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian

    movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is

    Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of

    Palestine.' (Article 6)




    'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will

    obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)


    You support these terrorists. Admit it and save the long winded obfuscations

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  • siam
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    1) Prejudice leads to hate and hate leads to dehumanization which is a sick and dangerous attitude. So lets make one thing clear---Any idea that one set of human beings "deserve to live" and another set of people "deserve to die" because of religion, nationality, ethnicity or some other excuse....is morally sick. All human beings deserve to live and to strive for justice, liberty, equality and peace.

    2) Israel wants to eliminate Palestine. Israel wants its Palestinian Christian and Muslim population gone from land it arbitrarily claims for itself.---and this is from Israels own history. It deliberately targets or terrorizes civilians both during peace time and during war---especially children.

    3) Palestinian Christians---
    ---a Palestinian Christian referring to comments made by Amb. Oren....
    "I am one of those Palestinian Christians living inside Israel to whom Oren refers. At no time in my life have I ever felt the ‘respect and appreciation’ by the Jewish state, which Oren so glowingly references. Israel’s Christian minority is marginalized in much the same manner as its Muslim one or, at best, quietly tolerated. We suffer the same discrimination when we try to find a job, when we go to hospitals, when we apply for bank loans, and when we get on the bus — in the same way as Palestinian Muslims.

    Israel’s fundamental basis is as a racist state built for Jews only, and the majority of the Jewish population doesn’t really care what religion we are if we’re not Jewish. In my daily dealings with the State, all I have felt is rudeness and overt contempt.

    Oren’s statement that ‘The extinction of the Middle East’s Christian communities is an injustice of historic magnitude’ is outright shocking to anyone familiar with even the basic history of how Israel was founded. I would like to remind him and others that this founding expelled thousands of Palestinian Christians from their homes in 1948 and displaced them, either forcing them to flee across the border or making them internal refugees. The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians that comprised the founding of Israel is, too, an injustice of historic magnitude. ..."
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/03/the-my...hristians.html

    Another opinion by Timothy Seidel
    Today in Palestine, Christianity is experiencing what many would consider a crisis. This is not due to the growth of so-called Islamic fundamentalism or the persecution of “believers” by their Muslim neighbors, misrepresentations that are unfortunately used to distract from the realities of occupation. Instead, the plight of the Palestinian Christian is very much connected to that of the Palestinian Muslim in that both, whether in the Occupied Territories or inside Israeli itself, are experiencing daily injustices at the hands of oppressive and discriminatory policies imposed on them by the Israeli government.

    Palestinian Christians, like their Muslim brothers and sisters, have experienced a long history of dispossession and have not been immune to Israeli policies of occupation and discrimination. If anything, they have felt more strongly the feelings of forsakenness, knowing full well that many Christians in North America and Europe support without question the state of Israel in its oppression of their people. Daily experiences of humiliation at checkpoints, of land confiscation to make way for the separation barrier, the illegal occupation and colonization of Palestinian territory, lack of mobility and access to basic services, unemployment, poverty, and no sense of hope for a better future for their children have all contributed to this growing emigration of Palestinian Christians from the historical land of Palestine.

    4) Hamas---"Hamas is a party-militia of the religious right. It does say it wants to see the Israeli government overthrown. Its leaders don’t, however, speak of committing genocide against Israelis. They say they want to recover their country, which was stolen from them by the Israelis in 1948. Colonial regimes always produce resistance movements.
    The fact is that Hamas was supported by Israeli intelligence in the 1980s as a foil to the PLO, so Shin Bet and Mossad don’t seem to have been worried by the party charter.
    Moreover, half the population of Gaza is children, who, how shall we put this, did not vote for Hamas in 2006. Even many Palestinians who did vote for it did so for internal reasons– they were protesting the corruption and authoritarianism of Fateh and the PLO. You can’t assume that they voted for it because they wanted to see it destroy the Israeli state.
    Where Israel has worked out a truce with Hamas, Hamas has typically honored it. The truces have usually been broken by Israel. It isn’t true that it is impossible to deal with the organization. As recently as last month, the party had agreed to join Fateh in a national unity government, taking subordinate positions in a government that recognizes Israel."---
    http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/zion...lestinian.html

    5)http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/map-...od.html---this website shows a map of Palestine and reveals the ethnic cleansing/genocide by Israel.

    6) Australian documentary reveals the moral sickness of some in Israel and IDF. (West Bank)

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  • Cow Poke
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    I smell a terrorist loyalist.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by siam View Post


    2008-9 Operation Cast lead---1417 Gazans killed, 13 Israeli
    2012---Operation pillar of defense---133 Gazans, 6 Isreali
    2014---Operation protective edge---so far 1400 plus Gazans, 63 Israeli
    The lesson that ought to be learned is to not start a fight that you cannot win. It's like going into a rough bar, finding the biggest, toughest guy in the place and punching him -- then complaining how badly he mopped the floor with you.

    Of course Hamas (who has been in charge of Gaza since 2006) doesn't give a rat's whisker about how many Palestinian civilians die as a result of the fights they pick. In fact it is pretty obvious that they hope for a high death toll and strongly urge the people there to stay in the areas that Israel announces in advance that they are preparing to attack.



    Hamas has called upon the thousands that have evacuated northern Gaza[1] to return and stay in their homes despite the repeated warnings from the Israeli military that more airstrikes are imminent and civilians in the area are "extremely unsafe." In statement released by Hamas they said:

    "To all of our people evacuating their homes - return immediately and do not leave your houses. Heeding Israel's warnings only aids [Israel] in achieving its agenda."


    Hamas wants human shields and some are only too happy to comply which unfortunately takes them out of the category of non-combatants.








    1. An estimated 17,000 Palestinians have evacuated Gaza and according to the U.N. roughly a quarter of the 70,000 residents of Beit Lahiya, a city located in the Gaza Strip north of Jabalia, have sought refuge in shelters it has established.
    a city located in the Gaza Strip north of Jabalia

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  • Jedidiah
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Palestinian Christians and Muslims have a right to life, to peace and prosperity and to live on their own home and land...
    However "Palestinian" Christians do not seem to fare well under radical Islam. What about that?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    My opinion on rockets---Palestinian Christians and Muslims have a right to life, to peace and prosperity and to live on their own home and land....just as much as Israelis do.
    Unfortunately, your Hamas buddies don't share those same sentiments, and won't rest until every Israeli is dead.

    Therefore, Palestinian self-defense is justified.
    So, if you fire a rocket at me, and I hammer you, you will claim "self-defense"?

    I approve of Palestinian self defense in:-
    I have a feeling you're about to say something really stupid....

    2008-9 Operation Cast lead---1417 Gazans killed, 13 Israeli
    The idiots in Gaza who are sworn to the destruction of Israel fire rockets into Israel, and Israel hammers them.

    2012---Operation pillar of defense---133 Gazans, 6 Isreali
    Some idiot in Gaza fires an anti-tank missile and hits an Israeli Jeep, and Israel hammers them.

    2014---Operation protective edge---so far 1400 plus Gazans, 63 Israeli
    Having not learned any lessons, some idiots in Gaza fire rockets into Israel, and Israel hammers them.

    Rinse, repeat.....

    PLEASE tell me what Hamas gains by firing rockets into Israel?
    Last edited by Cow Poke; 08-04-2014, 10:40 PM.

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