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What's up with Muhammad in saying all dogs should be killed?

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  • Trucker
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    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    I prefer the actual teachings of the Bible.
    Exactly! Great comment!!! Amen!!

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    So you would prefer the Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens type of Christianity?
    You do realize that they're avowed atheists so they don't have a "type of Christianity."

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    So you would prefer the Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens type of Christianity?
    ...would you believe them or would you believe what you know?
    I prefer the actual teachings of the Bible. Dawkins and Hitchens aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to that. They do what you do with Islam, but in the opposite direction.

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Hello dawagandist siam, we are NOT talking about Christianity here or now. We are talking about islam and its nonsensical absurdities, inconsistencies and plentiful contradictions.

    There are no such types of Christianity you pontificate about here! There is only Biblical Christianity based on proper and good exegesis, and not cherry picked "contradictions" you frequently throw at Christians to hoodwink them, also as smokescreen to deflect & away from the koran's and islam's tons of errors and illogical contradictions.

    Thats just one of the reasons for rejecting islam's claims - there are many more!







    Originally posted by siam View Post
    So you would prefer the Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens type of Christianity?
    ...would you believe them or would you believe what you know?

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Siam is more into a white washed Disneyfied version of Islam. Showing him what Mohammed did and thought, along with what the early Muslim community did doesn't really do anything. He just hand waves it away and cherry picks stuff out of context to support his views.
    So you would prefer the Richard Dawkins/Christopher Hitchens type of Christianity?
    ...would you believe them or would you believe what you know?

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  • Trucker
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    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Siam is more into a white washed Disneyfied version of Islam. Showing him what Mohammed did and thought, along with what the early Muslim community did doesn't really do anything. He just hand waves it away and cherry picks stuff out of context to support his views.
    All of which is simply typical for most Muslims I have encountered on Christian discussion boards.

    Except I usually refer to "Islam" as they present it as a bleached out watered down Orwellian double speak version of Islam.

    On the other hand, Muhammad [assuming there ever was a 'Muhammad" as presented by Islam] had the real thing.

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by Trucker View Post
    And ritual is really really super important in Islam, isn't it?



    Golly you mean Adam wasn't the first Muslim??



    Allow me to suggest a great place to start since Muhammad, his words and deeds and so on does happen to be your supreme exemplar. [That is what is repeatedly stated in the Qur'an, isn't it?] Why not read SIRAT RASUL ALLAH [The life of the prophet] Seems that would be a great starting point for some insight into what Muhammad did and said and even at time thought!! Take a good long and hard look!!
    Siam is more into a white washed Disneyfied version of Islam. Showing him what Mohammed did and thought, along with what the early Muslim community did doesn't really do anything. He just hand waves it away and cherry picks stuff out of context to support his views.

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  • Trucker
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    "Dogs in Islam, as they are in Rabbinic Judaism, are conventionally thought of as ritually impure."
    And ritual is really really super important in Islam, isn't it?

    Originally posted by siam View Post
    "According to several authoritative accounts of his life and teachings, Prophet Muhammad himself prayed in the presence of dogs. Many of his cousins and companions, the world’s first Muslims, .....
    Golly you mean Adam wasn't the first Muslim??

    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ...Perhaps we Muslims need to revisit our history from time to time?.....maybe re-asses what is cultural from what is religious?.....
    Allow me to suggest a great place to start since Muhammad, his words and deeds and so on does happen to be your supreme exemplar. [That is what is repeatedly stated in the Qur'an, isn't it?] Why not read SIRAT RASUL ALLAH [The life of the prophet] Seems that would be a great starting point for some insight into what Muhammad did and said and even at time thought!! Take a good long and hard look!!

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  • siam
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    here is another opinion....

    https://qz.com/india/1038116/the-mom...pure-and-evil/

    "Dogs in Islam, as they are in Rabbinic Judaism, are conventionally thought of as ritually impure."

    "According to several authoritative accounts of his life and teachings, Prophet Muhammad himself prayed in the presence of dogs. Many of his cousins and companions, the world’s first Muslims, raised young puppies. In the Mosque of the Prophet in Medina, the second holiest site in the world for Muslims after the Kaaba, dogs were regularly seen frolicking about during the prophet’s life and for centuries after as well."

    ...Perhaps we Muslims need to revisit our history from time to time?.....maybe re-asses what is cultural from what is religious?.....

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by hamster View Post
    There are some breeds that were bred to be companions, like lapdogs. Some writers in the ancient world described dogs being pampered by their owners
    FWIU lap dogs came a good deal later and the pampering was of favorite hunting dogs who weren't regarded as what we would consider pets.

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  • hamster
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    At that point in time I'm not sure there were any cultures that regarded them as "pets."
    There are some breeds that were bred to be companions, like lapdogs. Some writers in the ancient world described dogs being pampered by their owners

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I don't think dogs were regarded very highly anywhere in the Middle East but Muhammad took it a step further. A big step. Why? Maybe one recognized him for what he really was and peed on his leg
    I read something a long time ago saying he was attacked by a black dog as a child. I think this was in one of the biographies about him, but it has been a while.

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  • Cerebrum123
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    At that point in time I'm not sure there were any cultures that regarded them as "pets."
    Maybe not in the way we do today, but there were similar things happening in the past. Pugs were treated like royalty in China going way back. Confucius may have mentioned them as far back as 551 B.C. It looks like there were basically bred to be a pet for high ranking Chinese, and were also given as gifts to the Japanese as well.

    Mohammed's own declarations don't make much sense unless people were keeping them for purposes other than the handful said to be okay. Which were hunting, shepherding, and as guard dogs. In another Hadith he says keeping a dog for any other purpose took away rewards in heaven.

    Bukhari Vol. 3, #515

    Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting.""

    Muslim Number 3815:

    Ibn Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who keeps a dog other than that meant for watching the herd or for hunting loses every day out of his deeds equal to two qirat.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Why just dogs? Muhammad thought he was a prophet. Could he not see the benefits in having a dog?

    Perhaps Muhammad was frightened by a wolf and thought it was a dog?
    I don't think dogs were regarded very highly anywhere in the Middle East but Muhammad took it a step further. A big step. Why? Maybe one recognized him for what he really was and peed on his leg

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    At that point in time I'm not sure there were any cultures that regarded them as "pets."
    Why just dogs? Muhammad thought he was a prophet. Could he not see the benefits in having a dog?

    Perhaps Muhammad was frightened by a wolf and thought it was a dog?

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