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  • Execute rape victims?

    Check out this current imbroglio in India. The article isn't entirely clear on what the role of Islam is here... so I will just leave this here waiting for feedback from some of you who know a little more about Islam.

    http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation...rk_923734.html
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    In fundamentalist Islam, if a woman is found to be not a virgin even by rape, she is supposed to be punished along with the man who slept with her. Realistically, the man who hurts women goes free and the woman is put to death in many Islamic cultures. Usually in more liberal cultures women tend to be verbally humiliated however men are punished. In the US its handled as a law case. In cases where the family is more "westernized" often the family does its own justice. The problem here is that there isn't really a court system, but the families get to decide how to handle their own, and it can range from killing the offender to killing both. Islam is a religion which allows for violence among its citizens.
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    • #3
      Wrong perspective; use honour-shame.

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      • #4
        So they might see it as a mercy kill? Rape as a fate worse than death?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
          So they might see it as a mercy kill? Rape as a fate worse than death?
          No. Go look up honour killings. It's not for the sake of the victim, but the sake of her family.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Paprika View Post
            No. Go look up honour killings. It's not for the sake of the victim, but the sake of her family.
            I know. I realized that right after I posted it. Me being a dumb individualist!
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            • #7
              Honor-killings--- are not "Islamic" but this is practiced in some Muslim as well as non-Muslim societies. It is associated with tribal culture/traditions
              IMO, honor killings are Murder.

              Rape---traditionally/historically in Islamic jurisprudence---Rape was considered "Hiraba" a serious crime on the level with crimes such as treason. Today, in some tribal areas, the rape crime is being equated with adultery (Zina) and its prosecution is faulty creating much injustice.

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              • #8
                Er, is anyone checking the translation?

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                • #9
                  Under Islam, it can be very dangerous for a woman to claim she was raped, because it an admission of sexual activity which can lead to a charge of adultery (which is punishable by death) and her testimony as a woman is not sufficient to implicate the rapist.
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                    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                    Under Islam, it can be very dangerous for a woman to claim she was raped, because it an admission of sexual activity which can lead to a charge of adultery (which is punishable by death) and her testimony as a woman is not sufficient to implicate the rapist.
                    ---depends on what is meant by "under Islam".....there are some people/places that claim adultery is punishable by death (stoning). This is incorrect and an injustice according to the Quran. According to the interpretation of some scholars, The Quran requires strict evidence to prove adultery making it impossible to prosecute unless it is a (consensual) public act.

                    Sharia has aspects that are law/jurisprudence (Fiqh) This aspect of Sharia is dynamic and also differs according to which school of Sharia is practiced in which region/country. Many Muslim majority countries have a combination of sharia and colonial laws (the laws of whichever colonial powers had controlled them).

                    For rape, traditionally, the testimony of the woman alone and evidence of assault were enough to convict the rapist. Today, in some places the situation is unjust.

                    Scholars (both men and women) as well as activists are working to change unjust and harmful practices. Such unjust, harmful practices go against the ethico-moral principles of Islam, Sharia, and the Quran.

                    (clarification about Sharia---1 )most Muslims today understand Sharia as rules of ritual/prayer practices (non-legal and fixed) rather than as jurisprudence (legal, flexible). 2) Generally, non-Muslims (Westerners) see unjust/harmful practices and equate them with "Sharia" while Muslims see "Sharia" as a theory of justice based on ethico-moral principles which is why citizens in some Muslim-majority countries favor a "Sharia" based legal system. The hope is that a system based on ethico-moral principles may hinder corruption, injustice, inequality and harmful practices.)

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                    • #11
                      Yet it is precisely the ones in which the legal system is based that we see precisely such injustices. Funny that.

                      It is funny how the internet apologists seem to think they know better than the leaders of these muslim majority countries.
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                        Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
                        Yet it is precisely the ones in which the legal system is based that we see precisely such injustices. Funny that.

                        It is funny how the internet apologists seem to think they know better than the leaders of these muslim majority countries.
                        We're in the Dar al-Harb. It's not like the internet apologists are held to a high standard of truthiness here.
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                          I would love to know which Christians are allegedly pushing for Sharia law.
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                          • #14
                            I think all human beings desire Justice. Unscrupulous people can abuse such desires for their own gains. This is true for non-Muslim majority countries as it is for Muslim majority countries.
                            One would think that citizens of countries that value human dignity would oppose the practice of torture....Yet, in the U.S. John Yoo and others of the infamous torture memos helped open legal doors for the use of torture....
                            ......and we have Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Renditions, waterboarding.......
                            One would think that a people who value the principle of equality for all would not allow for an unjust and unequal legal process, yet, in the U.S. a disproportionate number of black people/people of color are jailed...privatized detention centers for juveniles are a business of filling beds for profits regardless of the consequences on the young.....

                            Systems can be abused---these systems can be those of government, economics, jurisprudence...etc. If the citizens of a country are not vigilant, a system will be abused. When abuse occurs, there might be two types of reactions---either to get rid of that system and build a new one or to reform the existing system in order to align with the (original) ideals. So,.....some people are saying that torture, is un-American, that inequality and injustice go against the spirit of equality that the U.S. was founded on.

                            It may seem at first that "Justice" is a concept confined to Jurisprudence alone. In my opinion, Justice can be understood as a "way of life"....one that encompasses the micro and the macro. It begins in the home, to treat our Parents and relatives with compassion and justice, then to apply it to our relations with Friends, neighbors, community and to expand it in our expectations of our societies, nations and humanity.

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                              Originally posted by Dee Dee Warren View Post
                              I would love to know which Christians are allegedly pushing for Sharia law.
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