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    Being a religion of peace

    Just a simple question:
    Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
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    Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
    Just a simple question:
    Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
    Depends on who you talk to. Quakers would usually say 'yes' citing Jesus' statements and actions. On the other extreme we have people like DE and Epoetker who seem to believe in a kind of 'muscular, aggressive' form of Christianity that sees violence as necessary and virtuous in some situations.

    I suspect there is a similar range in other religions. Look at Islam; nutty fundamentalists as opposed to Sufi mystics.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
      Just a simple question:
      Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
      Christians are to be as peaceful possible. Turn the other cheek when being personally insulted (as Christ specified). If however you are being physically harmed, you have every right to self defense.
      "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jesse View Post
        Christians are to be as peaceful possible. Turn the other cheek when being personally insulted (as Christ specified). If however you are being physically harmed, you have every right to self defense.
        Hmm. What about the 'striking on one cheek, offer him your other cheek'? What about how Jesus responded to His beating and torture? I'm not sure the line is as clear cut as you make it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
          Hmm. What about the 'striking on one cheek, offer him your other cheek'? What about how Jesus responded to His beating and torture? I'm not sure the line is as clear cut as you make it.
          That is what "offer the other cheek" means. You are not to return insult for insult. In ancient times, trading insults like that could start serious wars. To keep that from happening, you should "turn the other cheek". Christ responded to his beating and torture that way because that was what needed to happen. Remember he told the disciples not to resist his arrest?

          There is enough in Scripture and the church fathers to claim with certainty that self defense is right for the Christian.
          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
            Hmm. What about the 'striking on one cheek, offer him your other cheek'? What about how Jesus responded to His beating and torture? I'm not sure the line is as clear cut as you make it.
            Er, you do realize he told his disciples to carry swords, right?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
              Just a simple question:
              Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
              Are you assuming that Christianity is a "peaceful religion"?
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Are you assuming that Christianity is a "peaceful religion"?
                I'm assuming that Christians should be peaceful when needed but defend/fight when it's needed.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Irate Canadian View Post
                  Er, you do realize he told his disciples to carry swords, right?
                  Yeah, that's true. In fact I see a lot of mixed messages on this topic in the gospels.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                    Yeah, that's true. In fact I see a lot of mixed messages on this topic in the gospels.
                    You see a lot of "mixed messages" because you don't understand anything about them, assuming you even read them in the first place.
                    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                      You see a lot of "mixed messages" because you don't understand anything about them, assuming you even read them in the first place.
                      yeah that could be it. I so value your comprehensive well thought out posts.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
                        Just a simple question:
                        Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
                        No.
                        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                          Yeah, that's true. In fact I see a lot of mixed messages on this topic in the gospels.
                          Once you put them in their proper context, they will no longer seem mixed.
                          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jesse View Post
                            Once you put them in their proper context, they will no longer seem mixed.
                            There are various Christian groups, like the Quakers, who read the scriptures with integrity and arrive at a position of radical non-violence. I'm not sure that position can be so easily dismissed.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
                              There are various Christian groups, like the Quakers, who read the scriptures with integrity and arrive at a position of radical non-violence. I'm not sure that position can be so easily dismissed.
                              Reading something with honest intentions doesn't mean the conclusion is correct.
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                              "And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is pride that apes humility"-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
                              Oh ye of little fiber. Do you not know what I've done for you? You will obey. ~Cerealman for Prez.

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