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Just a simple question:
Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
Does being a "peaceful religion" mean you stand there and get bullied by others?
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"Kahahaha! Let's get lunatic!"-Add LP
"And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is pride that apes humility"-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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Depends on who you talk to. Quakers would usually say 'yes' citing Jesus' statements and actions. On the other extreme we have people like DE and Epoetker who seem to believe in a kind of 'muscular, aggressive' form of Christianity that sees violence as necessary and virtuous in some situations.Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
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Christians are to be as peaceful possible. Turn the other cheek when being personally insulted (as Christ specified). If however you are being physically harmed, you have every right to self defense.Originally posted by Cerealman View Post"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)Comment
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Hmm. What about the 'striking on one cheek, offer him your other cheek'? What about how Jesus responded to His beating and torture? I'm not sure the line is as clear cut as you make it.Originally posted by Jesse View PostComment
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That is what "offer the other cheek" means. You are not to return insult for insult. In ancient times, trading insults like that could start serious wars. To keep that from happening, you should "turn the other cheek". Christ responded to his beating and torture that way because that was what needed to happen. Remember he told the disciples not to resist his arrest?Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
There is enough in Scripture and the church fathers to claim with certainty that self defense is right for the Christian."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)Comment
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Er, you do realize he told his disciples to carry swords, right?Originally posted by pancreasman View Post"It's evolution; every time you invent something fool-proof, the world invents a better fool."
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Are you assuming that Christianity is a "peaceful religion"?Originally posted by Cerealman View PostThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.Comment
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I'm assuming that Christians should be peaceful when needed but defend/fight when it's needed.Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"Kahahaha! Let's get lunatic!"-Add LP
"And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is pride that apes humility"-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Oh ye of little fiber. Do you not know what I've done for you? You will obey. ~Cerealman for Prez.Comment
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Yeah, that's true. In fact I see a lot of mixed messages on this topic in the gospels.Originally posted by Irate Canadian View PostComment
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You see a lot of "mixed messages" because you don't understand anything about them, assuming you even read them in the first place.Originally posted by pancreasman View Post"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.Comment
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yeah that could be it. I so value your comprehensive well thought out posts.Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostComment
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No.Originally posted by Cerealman View PostMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?Comment
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Once you put them in their proper context, they will no longer seem mixed.Originally posted by pancreasman View Post
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)Comment
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There are various Christian groups, like the Quakers, who read the scriptures with integrity and arrive at a position of radical non-violence. I'm not sure that position can be so easily dismissed.Originally posted by Jesse View PostOnce you put them in their proper context, they will no longer seem mixed.Comment
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Reading something with honest intentions doesn't mean the conclusion is correct.Originally posted by pancreasman View Post"Kahahaha! Let's get lunatic!"-Add LP
"And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is pride that apes humility"-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Oh ye of little fiber. Do you not know what I've done for you? You will obey. ~Cerealman for Prez.Comment
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