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Without a risen Christ as my cornerstone I would be left with experiential faith, I was a willing demoniac before I came to Christ, and without Christ my perception of the Holy Spirit would be gone and I'd be left trying to create a paradigm of good and evil spirits. I suppose in belief I would be a New Ager, and in practice the worst caricature of Pentecostals doing anything to experience whatever I replaced the Holy Spirit with. I would likely tie this to a belief in condemned humanity because we were never saved because Jesus didn't die on the cross. I would look upon these "revivals" as a touch from this distant and unmerciful God as we sought to gain His attention.
So sort of an Exhilic Judaism mixed with Pentecostalism and very open to taking ideas from various pagan beliefs, Islam, Hinduism, etc.
Oh, and I'd be open to the idea of using terrorism and abuses of power to get what I want both personally and ideologically.
This is a depressing thought experiment.Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5
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Originally posted by JesseI had thought about this question yesterday and figured it would be a good topic to discuss. What would you do, if you found out concretely that your faith was wrong? Personally, as a Christian, if I found out that my belief was in vain (they proved Christ did not rise from the dead), I would still believe in a God. I would probably lean towards Judaism. That would be a natural fit for me. I don't think I could ever stop believing in a God."Faith is nothing less than the will to keep one's mind fixed precisely on what reason has discovered to it." - Edward Feser
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'd probably pretty much continue to live as I am, without going to Church.
I enjoy helping people, having a (fairly) healthy lifestyle, and many of the things that I have practiced as a Christian."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostI'd also lean toward Judaism as well if that we an option, but I think that's kind of cheating. The Old Testament is foundational to Christianity and Christianity isn't just about the resurrection, but also about the promises of God made in the OT. So if Christianity were wrong, then that would also include many beliefs relevant to Judaism.
I look at it the way Paul did. If it was proven that Christ didn't rise from the dead, then we have no hope. Because then, he was just a regular man that died and our sins were not forgiven. We would be fools following a man who thought he was God.Last edited by Jesse; 04-11-2015, 03:54 PM."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Omniskeptical View PostLest you took drugs, this is highly unlikely. Are you implying that you need an exorcist?"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostActually, they have not even approached this. What they have done is convince themselves of something. There has never been any concrete evidence that there is no God, and there can not be.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'd probably pretty much continue to live as I am, without going to Church.
I enjoy helping people, having a (fairly) healthy lifestyle, and many of the things that I have practiced as a Christian.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostPlease allow the atheists to speak for themselves, Jed. To the extent I can make it out, your attempt to do so for us ... isn't even wrong. You're not doing so well speaking for the OP, either. No one asked for the consequences of concrete evidence that there is God."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Not true though. Judaism doesn't believe in the divinity of Christ. Kinda why they wanted him killed for blasphemy. You can indeed believe in the tenants of Judaism and not believe Christ was the Messiah."Faith is nothing less than the will to keep one's mind fixed precisely on what reason has discovered to it." - Edward Feser
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Originally posted by Jesse View PostI would like to ask you to do the same that I asked of Omni. I don't want this turning into an off-topic flame thread.
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostJed flamed me and BP, and your response is to ask me to leave? No. You don't have a right on TWeb to exclude someone who's being attacked in your thread. If you don't want flames, put them out at the source, and stop fanning them with your amen's you hypocrite."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostFunny you should mention. But there are decent "church" options that don't demand belief in any particular deity, or any deity at all for that matter. I'm partial to the UUs, myself.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostJews believe the OT is true, but not the NT. Christians believe both the OT and NT are true. If Christianity is false, then both the OT and NT are false, so that would include Judaism."Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis, God in the Dock: Essays on Theology (Making of Modern Theology)
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