Announcement

Collapse

Comparative Religions 101 Guidelines

Welcome to Comp Religions, this is where the sights and sounds of the many world religions come together in a big World's Fair type atmosphere, without those delicious funnel cakes.

World Religions is a theist only type place, but that does not exclude certain religionists who practice non-theistic faiths ala Buddhism. If you are not sure, ask a moderator.

This is not a place where we argue the existence / non-existence of God.

And as usual, the forum rules apply.

Forum Rules: Here
See more
See less

Can One Man Die for the sins of Others?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #61
    Fully agreed. He gave His life once and for all, an everlasting sacrifice for the propitiation of sin of ALL mankind, including muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, atheists etc.

    In fact Christ said: "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of MY hand," in John 10:28.

    Jesus Christ has the power and the authority to give everlasting and eternal life to WHOMSOEVER He chooses - Matthew 11:27, no one can snatch them out from JESUS' hands, which must be mighty BIG to keep all the souls of people in! What wonderful news! Hallelujah!





    Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
    Of course, but what is your post correcting ?

    Forgot to add: as our Kinsman-Redeemer - like God several times in the OT - it can be said of Jesus: “I have exalted one chosen from the people”. This agrees with the election and kingship of Jesus. and with His being the Prophet of Deuteronomy 18.

    As Kinsman-Redeemer and Universal Davidic/Son of Man King, He is Redeemer for all Israel & therefore all mankind. His sacrifice is a means of that redemption.

    Comment


    • #62
      2 Kings 14:6 says "The LORD commanded: "Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin."

      Comment


      • #63
        Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
        2 Kings 14:6 says "The LORD commanded: "Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin."
        But that is not like we pay for our sin by dying. Dying is just part of the penalty for sin.

        Blessings,
        Lee
        "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

        Comment


        • #64
          Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
          But that is not like we pay for our sin by dying. Dying is just part of the penalty for sin.

          Blessings,
          Lee
          Jesus prayers to be saved from death in Luke 22:42-44 and Hebrews 5:7 show Jesus was not willing to die.

          Comment


          • #65
            Originally posted by siam View Post
            Can one man die for the sins of others?
            ...even a Christian would have to answer NO to that question....
            remember "Deicide"---the Christian accusation of "killing God" laid at the door of the Jews? ....God (not man) has to "die" in order to atone for the sins of humanity......?......
            Jesus can die for His People, because He is their King and their Kinsman-Redeemer, the Suffering Servant of JHWH: He is equipped perfectly to die for them.

            And the NT Church recognised Jesus as King, Kinsman-Redeemer, and Suffering Servant.
            And as Israel personified. And as much more.

            That is all in the NT - especially in the Gospels.
            Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 07-29-2021, 04:08 PM.

            Comment


            • #66
              And obviously, Siam has failed to read or understand the eyewitness statements from 1 Peter 2: 23-24:
              23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly
              .
              24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.”

              Jesus Christ's bodily death by crucifixion as a historical fact is not denied over the centuries by any reputable scholar, any muslim detractor can ask B. Erhman that, and Q4/157 gets sent to the heap of unproven polemics for good.


              Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
              Jesus can die for His People, because He is their King and their Kinsman-Redeemer, the Suffering Servant of JHWH: He is equipped perfectly to die for them.

              And the NT Church recognised Jesus as King, Kinsman-Redeemer, and Suffering Servant.
              And as Israel personified. And as much more.

              That is all in the NT - especially in the Gospels.

              Comment


              • #67
                Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post

                Jesus prayers to be saved from death in Luke 22:42-44 and Hebrews 5:7 show Jesus was not willing to die.
                He was willing to die, as His prayer to His Father shows. And as He was fully human, He quailed at the prospect of doing so.

                STM it is a far greater thing to dread doing what one must do, but to do it nonetheless, than to do what one must do, without suffering such unease. He did not have a death-wish, so He rightly prayed to be spared that cup - if it was His Father’s Will that He should be spared. He consistently subjects His own Will, to that of His Father in Heaven. Doing the Will of the Father - no matter what that might demand - is always what guides His actions.

                Comment

                widgetinstance 221 (Related Threads) skipped due to lack of content & hide_module_if_empty option.
                Working...
                X