Catholic Problems

[foudroyant]

Prayer (which is worship) is attributing omniscience to her so they do make her a god.

I already pointed out that many times prayers can be silent. For her to know ALL these prayers - even the silent ones - of the heart would make her the heart-knower of all (omniscient = God).

And that is something ONLY God knows.

[robrecht]

Prayer (which is worship) is attributing omniscience to her so they do make her a god.
Yes, I do know what you said.

I already pointed out that many times prayers can be silent. For her to know ALL these prayers - even the silent ones - of the heart would make her the heart-knower of all (omniscient = God).

And that is something ONLY God knows.

I never attributed omniscience to Mary. I have no idea what she knows or does not know.

[foudroyant]

You asserted in Post 51 that they do not consider her to be a god.
This is false.
By praying to her (whether they realize it or not) they are ascribing omniscience to her. (Post 42)

The only one that is omniscient is God.

[TimelessTheist]

Yeah "'nuff said" because this passage does not support what you are asserting.

Praying to Baal is worshiping Baal (1 Kings 18:26). Your example of asking someone to pray for you did not work as well because as I already pointed out many times prayers are silent.


Pray only to God and you will be doing what the Bible teaches is the correct thing to do.

Uh, yeah it does. What are prayers to Saints? Well, they're where we ask the Saints to intercede on our behalf, and ask God to fulfill our own prayers to him, albeit indirectly. That does not constitute praying exclusively 'to' the Saint, we're simply asking the Saint to intercede on our behalf.

[foudroyant]

Nowhere does it say the saints were prayed to.
If you were to pray to any saint they you are attributing omniscience to that saint.

[TimelessTheist]

You asserted in Post 51 that they do not consider her to be a god.
This is false.
By praying to her (whether they realize it or not) they are ascribing omniscience to her. (Post 42)

The only one that is omniscient is God.

Eh, no, we are not. The idea that Mary could not hear the prayers might work if she was, say, in another room, but that's not the same deal as being glorified in Heaven. If it's God's will that we can even exist in that state, then it's also God's will that makes it able for her to hear our prayers.

[foudroyant]

If she were to know all the prayers - even the silent ones - that would make her the heartknower of all.

[robrecht]

You asserted in Post 51 that they do not consider her to be a god.
This is false.
By praying to her (whether they realize it or not) they are ascribing omniscience to her. (Post 42)

The only one that is omniscient is God.

You are now making false accusations against more people. Catholics do not consider Mary to be a god. You really should work on this false accusation thing.

[foudroyant]

You really should know the meaning of kardiognwsta. See Post 42. I already referenced it. Try again.
And I already pointed out that prayer is worship (Luke 2:37).

[robrecht]

You really should know the meaning of kardiognwsta. See Post 42. I already referenced it. Try again.

I do know Greek.

[TimelessTheist]

It's a long story, and it involves me quoting scripture and calling the priest biblically illiterate.

Maybe you could try appealing to the local Ordinary? If the case really is as obviously unfair as you make it out to be, it might be able to get it reversed.

[foudroyant]

You know Greek? Then learn how to use it.

[robrecht]

Then learn how to use it.

Why do you assume that I do not know how to use it?

[foudroyant]

I already cited Greek words that refute their heresy in which you defend.

[robrecht]

I already cited Greek words that refute their heresy in which you defend.

Where did you cite these Greek words that supposedly refute their heresy?