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  • Even the Koran confirms that numerous of Muhamed's revelations were satanic in nature, and not divine! If muslims were to be more honest about it!

    Surah 22/52:-

    Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolishes that which Satan proposed. Then Allah establishes His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise.

    The above verse from the koran admits that Satan indeed succeeded to insert shaytan's (satanic) verses and words into Muhamed's revelations even while the 'angel Gabriel' was revealing the verses to Muhd!

    This shows that the Quranic revelations were indeed satanic, after all. Even though they were thought to be abrogated or cancelled by God - to purge the quran's revelations of the demonic evil contents that Satan successfully inserted into Muhamed's mind and mouth.

    Muslims and Islam both then, and now have NO WAY OF Knowing or differentiating which are the real words and verses of God from the verses which Shaitan (Satanic verses of the Quran) influenced on to Muhamed and put into him.

    If some Quranic verses could be satanic and were so-called abrogated, which are the others likewise have satanic insertions in them?

    Surah 22/52 proves that there are indeed Quran verses that were demonized, satanised and corrupted, if there were just even one verse of this satanic kind in the quran, how many more if such Quranic satanic ayats/verses exist then?

    If satan can influence one or two ayats & verses, then there are hundreds more of such in today's Quran, and there is no way of knowing which are the demonic ones from the normal ones.

    The hadith agree with the insertion of satanic verses into the koran. In the way "prophet" muhamed were getting such verses and recording them. Nothing crazy at all, but a truly sobering FACT that casts serious doubts about the purity or "sacredness" of the Koran!

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    • Quran/Koran - A "Perfectly Preserved" Text? Not by a long shot! -

      Sura 16/103 claims the Koran was ‘revealed in “clear (or mubin) Arabic,”’ well, the seven, ten and then fourteen and even MORE qiraats / recitings – up to fifty recitations shows the flawed reasoning of that Koranic claim. Hahahaha, “clear” does not even BEGIN TO shed light on the darkness of these multiple qiraats or readings of your koran.

      There is nothing clear whatsoever when Muslims read & recited the same verses of the Koran IN FIFTY DIFFERENT WAYS. This shows up clearly when the grammarian Ibn al-Jazari disagreed with ibn Mujahid’s selective renderings of 7 qiraats and after 480 years, selected additional qiraats to increase the “standard readings” to 10 qiraats.

      Then came along another scholar cum grammarian later to standardize another 4 more so-called sound qiraats making it 14 standard recitings! This shows great confusion among all the grammarians and muslim theologians over 8 centuries in the Islamic calendar.

      Are all these 14 the styles – or the 50 qiraats in the first century of Islam, found together in the ummul Kitab “Mother of the Book” or the so-called “lauh mahfuz” / ‘protected tablet’ next to the throne of Allah from whence the Koran came down to Muhamed??

      Muslim academic Dr. Shady Nasser from Harvard university, gave a lecture at the University of Oregon that throws light on this question.

      This is the full video recording of his lecture there.

      https://islamicinitiative.uoregon.edu/projects/

      It gets very interesting from the 13:30 time stamp onwards, where this sunni muslim scholar says:

      1) there is a nearly 300 years gap between the first collection under caliph Uthman and the standardization under grammarian ibn Mujahid.

      2) the first 200 years of islam’s “formative period” from 632 AD onwards is REALLY A BLANK. Nobody really knows what and how anything actually developed in Islam and its followers in this 200 year period. Due to the absence of ANY proper, written records that can be reliably verified by researchers and historians.

      3) From 14:40 onwards, Shady Nasser tells us that ibn Mujahid in 936 A.D., chose 7 qiraats over 40-50 different ones that were floating around then, as the “standard recitings/readings/qiraats” to form the basis of reading the Koran. This is 300 years after Muhamed’s death (in 632).

      4) Nasser tells us that the historical records document that ibn Mujahid got the muslims to submit to his qiraat selections by devious and forceful methods. 15:03 onwards, Nasser says that ibn mujahid used his political and court connections to force the Muslims to comply and submit to his 7 qiraats standard!


      He got the courts to imprison and punish those who preferred OTHER recitings over his seven qiraat!

      What a tyrannical way to force other qiraats out from the standard Koran recitation. And desperate TOO! LOL!!

      5) From 15:50, Nasser mentions the intervention of another scholar - ibn al-jazari in 1429 AD, 480 years later to add 3 more qiraats as additional standard ones!

      25:50 onwards he asks disturbing questions for muslims on the variations in the recitings.

      Dr. Nasser admits there were not merely style differences of reading the 10 or 14 qiraats, BUT there were also differences in consonants, VOCABULARY and Grammar between those “official qiraats”and readings.

      Obviously, this meant all those differences in vocabulary point to different meanings of the same passages in the Koran. Can they ALL be correct and hold the true meaning SIMULTANEOUSLY?

      What a mess all this must be in the “Mother of the Book” per sura 13/39.. LOL! The koran is an unworthy book to follow...Obviously!





      Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
      Even the Koran confirms that numerous of Muhamed's revelations were satanic in nature, and not divine! If muslims were to be more honest about it!

      Surah 22/52:-

      Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolishes that which Satan proposed. Then Allah establishes His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise.

      The above verse from the koran admits that Satan indeed succeeded to insert shaytan's (satanic) verses and words into Muhamed's revelations even while the 'angel Gabriel' was revealing the verses to Muhd!

      This shows that the Quranic revelations were indeed satanic, after all. Even though they were thought to be abrogated or cancelled by God - to purge the quran's revelations of the demonic evil contents that Satan successfully inserted into Muhamed's mind and mouth.

      Muslims and Islam both then, and now have NO WAY OF Knowing or differentiating which are the real words and verses of God from the verses which Shaitan (Satanic verses of the Quran) influenced on to Muhamed and put into him.

      If some Quranic verses could be satanic and were so-called abrogated, which are the others likewise have satanic insertions in them?

      Surah 22/52 proves that there are indeed Quran verses that were demonized, satanised and corrupted, if there were just even one verse of this satanic kind in the quran, how many more if such Quranic satanic ayats/verses exist then?

      If satan can influence one or two ayats & verses, then there are hundreds more of such in today's Quran, and there is no way of knowing which are the demonic ones from the normal ones.

      The hadith agree with the insertion of satanic verses into the koran. In the way "prophet" muhamed were getting such verses and recording them. Nothing crazy at all, but a truly sobering FACT that casts serious doubts about the purity or "sacredness" of the Koran!

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