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Welcome to Comp Religions, this is where the sights and sounds of the many world religions come together in a big World's Fair type atmosphere, without those delicious funnel cakes.

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Totally agree with yiu Christian3, cop outs are thr favourite habits of a dawagandist like siam..shameless!



    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Cop out.

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Really?!? Then just ANSWER IT..! If u say its so easy.

    BUT DON'T by a hypocrite and patronising by something nonsensical - and crappy - like Christians "bolster our faith by attacking yours."

    We don't need to bolster our anything in the crazy way you are insinuating.

    That is just your way of trying to wriggle out of answering the question "Who is as-samiri" in the verses given.

    You really dont have the answer to it. Christian3 has asked it and now me too. Just have the mental and intellectual capacity to stay on track and don't throw in your rwd herrings again and again as you have been doing siam!




    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Yes --I can easily answer it....but only if there is genuine interest in learning.
    If the intention is to bolster your Christian faith by attacking another faith---that is fine too---just see your apologetics videos and feel-good,... but leave me out... I lack the patience for it.

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    So God can mean other than God (father) in Gospels?


    If my word-choice is improper let me know....
    The Father is not the Son and not the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.


    There is one and only one God, who exists in three persons. “Persons” means there are three personal distinctions within God, each who is fully God, yet only one God.

    ALSO, the Trinity is NOT Allah, Jesus and the Virgin Mary as your Allah thought!!!

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Yes --I can easily answer it....but only if there is genuine interest in learning.
    If the intention is to bolster your Christian faith by attacking another faith---that is fine too---just see your apologetics videos and feel-good,... but leave me out... I lack the patience for it.
    Cop out.

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ...but then Jesus is also identified as God therefore, using the same logic, the God & Jesus combo should be "out of the question" too?
    Jesus is the incarnate Word of God, something your Allah never heard of.

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I was looking for a socio-historical perspective on how Christian theology came to be the way it is.
    Try reading the Scriptures for a change.

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ...Then Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus?
    Holy Spirit is God, Jesus is God but Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus?
    Good Grief, Siam.

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post


    And here we go again...



    Nothing of what I've said implies that Jesus is not the Word. There are multiple ways the phrase "the Word was God" can be understood. It can be understood in the sense that the Word was fully divine. It can be understood in the sense that the title of God belongs to the Word. Or that the name of God belongs to the Word.

    It could, presumably, also mean that the Word is identical to the God (i.e the Father) that the Word "was with", but that is highly unlikely and is dependent on the ridiculous notion that John contradicted himself all throughout his gospel by clearly making a distinction between the Word/Jesus and the Father. The idea is so ridiculous on the face of it that it's not even worth considering seriously.
    So God can mean other than God (father) in Gospels?


    If my word-choice is improper let me know....

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Your lack of even attempting to understand Christian doctrines has nothing to do with "reciprocating" anything, don't try to hide behind that sorry excuse. You were doing it already when you were having a discussion with me about various doctrines of Christianity in the other thread.
    If our discussions has resulted in rudeness on my part, I apologize. Pls call out on it in future discussions. I will attempt to rephrase.

    I have always been honest that I do not understand Christian Theology---all my previous attempts to do so have failed....I do not have much hope of ever understanding Christian theology. That is why I was asking a non-Christian some questions about why certain theological choices were made and not others. If I cannot understand the Theology, maybe I can understand the socio-historical circumstance and/or rationale of these particular choices.

    Another area of interest/inquiry (4 me) would be how Christians personally use their theology to enhance/better their lives--what ethico-moral principles (if any) do these ideas contribute towards...etc

    so far---not seeing much response in either of these areas

    Also---to clarify
    In my case---I do not equate difficult and/or critical questions about Islam as rudeness. Questions about Samiri or other subjects (tafsir of Fatiha), Sister of Aaron...etc are all questions I can easily answer. However, if the intention behind the question is simply an apologetic feel-good aim rather than evaluating and discussing my response---then I get no intellectual benefit out of it.

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  • JonathanL
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ...then Jesus is not Word?---correct?

    Depending on interpretation, the word = God in G of J?
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


    And here we go again...



    Nothing of what I've said implies that Jesus is not the Word. There are multiple ways the phrase "the Word was God" can be understood. It can be understood in the sense that the Word was fully divine. It can be understood in the sense that the title of God belongs to the Word. Or that the name of God belongs to the Word.

    It could, presumably, also mean that the Word is identical to the God (i.e the Father) that the Word "was with", but that is highly unlikely and is dependent on the ridiculous notion that John contradicted himself all throughout his gospel by clearly making a distinction between the Word/Jesus and the Father. The idea is so ridiculous on the face of it that it's not even worth considering seriously.

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Jesus is identified as fully divine in nature, but not as God, if by God you mean the Father.
    ...then Jesus is not Word?---correct?

    Depending on interpretation, the word = God in G of J?
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

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  • JonathanL
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    reciprocating what was dealt
    Your lack of even attempting to understand Christian doctrines has nothing to do with "reciprocating" anything, don't try to hide behind that sorry excuse. You were doing it already when you were having a discussion with me about various doctrines of Christianity in the other thread.

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Given the lack of respect and attempt at understanding Christian doctrines on your end you should be the last person here to talk about lacking the patience for anything.
    reciprocating what was dealt

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  • JonathanL
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Yes --I can easily answer it....but only if there is genuine interest in learning.
    If the intention is to bolster your Christian faith by attacking another faith---that is fine too---just see your apologetics videos and feel-good,... but leave me out... I lack the patience for it.
    Given the lack of respect and attempt at understanding Christian doctrines on your end you should be the last person here to talk about lacking the patience for anything.

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  • JonathanL
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    ...but then Jesus is also identified as God therefore, using the same logic, the God & Jesus combo should be "out of the question" too?
    Jesus is identified as fully divine in nature, but not as God, if by God you mean the Father.

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