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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Advice from Dr.Yasir Qadhi to muslims

    Let's examine some reasons why Islamic and Quran scholar Dr. Yasir Qadhi tells Muslims to "NEVER do a DEEP DIVE" into a critical study of the preservation of the Koran.

    Unless, they want to see Islam shattered and its orthodox foundations destroyed! Never do Quranic manuscript studies and source criticism - there's just too many holes in them.

    Proving the validity of Koranic preservation & therefore its reliability? -

    https://youtu.be/6tTk7F1gXkU

    A myth, buried..R.I.P. -

    https://youtu.be/lH6M-iLVcKM

    Any surprise why even orthodox Imams are leaving islam today in the face of the facts?

    HARDLY 😃😁👍




    Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
    The Trinity means One God in three persons. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    NOT three Gods but three persons IN one Godhead.

    This is not a 'personal preference' per se.

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Since this track is ALSO on the Quran - and hence its reliability or OTHERWISE. It is interesting to review its 'preservation' as many Muslims have recently done.

    You may selectively just subscribe to what lulls you into a stupor of intellectual complacency about the koran's 'validity' and/or
    'preservation'.

    There are others - equally intelligent & THINKING - CRITICAL thinking Muslims, I might add, who taught just like you siam, but that was in the past. The realisation of their naivete caught up with them and their eyes are now fully opened about the koran and its authenticity.

    Their expose is on YouTube:

    1. Yasir Qadhi, Mohd Hijab are reviewed by Abdullah Sameer, WHY did orthodox islam scholar & sheikh Dr.Yasir Qadhi expose and admit that the standard narrative of the Koran and Islam has many "holes in them?" - that the Koran is NOT preserved and the Qiraat, ahruf (variants and versions) expose & confirm the doubtful transmission and unreliability of the Koran -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8Zv1sB4Aw

    2. Knowledgeable muslims quarrel, disagree and mutually condemn one another about the Koran's preservation (this puts paid to the "unity of the ummah claim) -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnZw...ature=youtu.be

    3. Abdullah Gondal and Abdullah Sameer discuss in open forum the admissions of multiple variants and versions of Koran readings by Yasir Qadhi and Mohd Hijab's disappointments with sheikh Qadhi's scholarly findings:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2wSMm_gblE

    The Muslim world - like M. Hijab himself, has something embarassing and shameful to hide about the Koran's validity and preservation.

    Time to wake up from your sleep, Siam.



    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I am here on this board only for my personal benefit. (I have explained this before somewhere in these threads...but will clarify again)
    I pick and choose. I answer what interests me....and real engagement (even disagreement) on the content of my replies is appreciated---but not assumptions/claims on my character or intent, or misrepresentations of my replies.
    I am not interested in converting anybody. If there is a serious enough interest in Islam to the point of considering conversion---I would recommend they go to a proper teacher/scholar and learn about the obligations of a Muslim before making a decision.
    I am not interested in converting to Christianity. My beliefs, as they are, satisfy me intellectually and spiritually.

    Apologetics is interesting but it can devolve into a copy/paste exchange with Christian apologetic questions and Muslim apologetic answers from the net. This essentially means proxy questions and answers with no real intellectual engagement. I find that tedious.

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
    Christianity has many claimants. There are hundreds of Christian sects, most of which hold to the Trinity [explanation] interpretation of the Godhead.
    When the Nicene creed refers to the "One God" ---what is meant is One Godhead? would this be correct?
    Would this also be a correct assumption for all of the NT that refers to God?

    The creed
    We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

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  • 37818
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Therefore I can assume that for Christians God is a Trinity and One God actually means One Godhead? would this be correct?
    Is this a personal preference or would it apply to Christianities in General?
    Christianity has many claimants. There are hundreds of Christian sects, most of which hold to the Trinity [explanation] interpretation of the Godhead.

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    The Trinity means One God in three persons. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    NOT three Gods but three persons IN one Godhead.

    This is not a 'personal preference' per se.




    Originally posted by siam View Post
    Therefore I can assume that for Christians God is a Trinity and One God actually means One Godhead? would this be correct?
    Is this a personal preference or would it apply to Christianities in General?

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  • siam
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    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    There is only one God -- YHWH -- who both Jews and Christians call Father.

    The Father is the same God of the Old and New Testaments. The Father revealed Himself as a tri-unity in nature. There are hints of it in the Old Testament.
    Therefore I can assume that for Christians God is a Trinity and One God actually means One Godhead? would this be correct?
    Is this a personal preference or would it apply to Christianities in General?

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Nevertheless you have accused others of being adversarial, while ignoring all the adversarial sentiments of the koran.

    Surah fatihah v 6-7 which calls down condemnation the Jews by Allah, and vilifies Christians as have lost their way & going astray, not once but 17 times daily in the muslim obligated prayers, is nothing short of instilling hate speech. The orthodox tafsirs and sheikhs all confirm this.

    That is a despicable double standard which needs calling out. It is hypocritical to claim islam as a 'religion of peace' with these daily attacks and vilifications from the koran.




    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I am here on this board only for my personal benefit. (I have explained this before somewhere in these threads...but will clarify again)
    I pick and choose. I answer what interests me....and real engagement (even disagreement) on the content of my replies is appreciated---but not assumptions/claims on my character or intent, or misrepresentations of my replies.
    I am not interested in converting anybody. If there is a serious enough interest in Islam to the point of considering conversion---I would recommend they go to a proper teacher/scholar and learn about the obligations of a Muslim before making a decision.
    I am not interested in converting to Christianity. My beliefs, as they are, satisfy me intellectually and spiritually.

    Apologetics is interesting but it can devolve into a copy/paste exchange with Christian apologetic questions and Muslim apologetic answers from the net. This essentially means proxy questions and answers with no real intellectual engagement. I find that tedious.

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    I did not phrase the question properly...what I meant....

    The creed ( of 381) states:-
    "We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

    If "One God" here were changed to One Godhead, would this be an unacceptable change for Christians or would this be a helpful change?


    Also....
    My assumption is that if the "One God" concept of the OT and the Trinity concept of the NT were a choice, Christians would choose the Trinity of the NT over the OT "One God"?---would this be a correct assumption?
    There is only one God -- YHWH -- who both Jews and Christians call Father.

    The Father is the same God of the Old and New Testaments. The Father revealed Himself as a tri-unity in nature. There are hints of it in the Old Testament.

    Leave a comment:


  • siam
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    Originally posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
    Siam...

    It is not for your intellectual benefit but for those who asked you those questions. When u say its just for YOUR "intellectual benefit" it simply means that u just pick and choose what u want to answer and otherwise.

    ...

    If u can explain them sensibly to us, who knows such an understanding might result in us converting to islam! ....
    I am here on this board only for my personal benefit. (I have explained this before somewhere in these threads...but will clarify again)
    I pick and choose. I answer what interests me....and real engagement (even disagreement) on the content of my replies is appreciated---but not assumptions/claims on my character or intent, or misrepresentations of my replies.
    I am not interested in converting anybody. If there is a serious enough interest in Islam to the point of considering conversion---I would recommend they go to a proper teacher/scholar and learn about the obligations of a Muslim before making a decision.
    I am not interested in converting to Christianity. My beliefs, as they are, satisfy me intellectually and spiritually.

    Apologetics is interesting but it can devolve into a copy/paste exchange with Christian apologetic questions and Muslim apologetic answers from the net. This essentially means proxy questions and answers with no real intellectual engagement. I find that tedious.

    Leave a comment:


  • siam
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    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Because there is only one God as the Bible teaches.
    I did not phrase the question properly...what I meant....

    The creed ( of 381) states:-
    "We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

    If "One God" here were changed to One Godhead, would this be an unacceptable change for Christians or would this be a helpful change?


    Also....
    My assumption is that if the "One God" concept of the OT and the Trinity concept of the NT were a choice, Christians would choose the Trinity of the NT over the OT "One God"?---would this be a correct assumption?

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Obviously..Christians before and today are not polytheists like sura 5/116 erroneously claims.


    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Because there is only one God as the Bible teaches.

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    You just insinuated above that we should go 'content ourselves with videos' of apologetics, obviously referring to some clips I shared earlier with you and the Muslims here.

    That is rather unfair because those are NOT Christian-made clips, neither were they apologetics in nature, much less "Christian" in any way.

    In fact, they ALL made by thinking Muslims - those who are MUCH MORE thoughtful from you. More objective, and eyes much more opened than you - speaking about "blind faith"!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8Zv1sB4Aw

    Open and view the above link to the video made by Abdullah Sameer - who has never been a Christian but a Muslim and a dai or preacher for islam.

    In it, he exposed why a missionary muslim like Muhammad Hijab DELETED 25 MINUTES of his interview with Yasir Qadhi who said "the primary narrative of the Koran / islam HAS GOT HOLES IN IT."

    These gentlemen are all muslims - and there is no apologetics per se in the above YouTube clip. Obviously, Abdullah Sameer, and even Gondal the pakistani muslim eventually quit and LEFT islam, becoming atheists after an extended search and study on the ahruf, qiraat, mushafs etc problems of the Koran.

    Deal with their questions like they were bold to ask the serious deeper questions. They are all from islamic backgrounds.






    Originally posted by siam View Post
    What r the reasons Christians believe in One God?

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  • Christian3
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    Originally posted by siam View Post
    What r the reasons Christians believe in One God?
    Because there is only one God as the Bible teaches.

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  • siam
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    What r the reasons Christians believe in One God?

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  • Dan Zebiri
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    Siam...your last paragraph below refers.

    You CLAIM u can EASILY answer our questions about Fatiha, sister of Aaron, Samiri of the golden calf etc...

    BUT u HAVEN'T.

    So you REALLY CANNOT give sensible answers to any of those. That's the facts of the matter pure and simple.

    It is not for your intellectual benefit but for those who asked you those questions. When u say its just for YOUR "intellectual benefit" it simply means that u just pick and choose what u want to answer and otherwise.

    You say u xnot "understand Christian theology" & bla bla bla. Well, take it that WE CANNOT UNDERSTAND those dubious issues about Samiri, fatiha the two Marys in your koran.

    If u can explain them sensibly to us, who knows such an understanding might result in us converting to islam! Should be a "piece of cake" to u, right?? It's "so easy for u" yah?

    Then go on & give your intelligent replies..

    Don't just fawn empty words like what you claimed.

    Give it a try and we may yet be convinced. How do u know it won't? Are u God?



    Originally posted by siam View Post
    If our discussions has resulted in rudeness on my part, I apologize. Pls call out on it in future discussions. I will attempt to rephrase.

    I have always been honest that I do not understand Christian Theology---all my previous attempts to do so have failed....I do not have much hope of ever understanding Christian theology. That is why I was asking a non-Christian some questions about why certain theological choices were made and not others. If I cannot understand the Theology, maybe I can understand the socio-historical circumstance and/or rationale of these particular choices.

    Another area of interest/inquiry (4 me) would be how Christians personally use their theology to enhance/better their lives--what ethico-moral principles (if any) do these ideas contribute towards...etc

    so far---not seeing much response in either of these areas

    Also---to clarify
    In my case---I do not equate difficult and/or critical questions about Islam as rudeness. Questions about Samiri or other subjects (tafsir of Fatiha), Sister of Aaron...etc are all questions I can easily answer. However, if the intention behind the question is simply an apologetic feel-good aim rather than evaluating and discussing my response---then I get no intellectual benefit out of it.

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