Nothingness

[37818]

On Tweb the subject of nothingness has been discussed from time to time.

There is disagreement as to what nothingness means.

A few things to consider about what nothingness is not:
1) No time.
2) No light nor darkness nor anything in between.
3) No space. No vacuum. Not anything.

Nothingness means not anything.

So it can be argued that nothingness never existed. There never was nothingness.

Nothingness as a concept of itself of not being anything at all.

[rogue06]

Nothingness describes the inside of my wallet about a week and a half before the end of the month.

[shunyadragon]

On Tweb the subject of nothingness has been discussed from time to time.

There is disagreement as to what nothingness means.

A few things to consider about what nothingness is not:
1) No time.
2) No light nor darkness nor anything in between.
3) No space. No vacuum. Not anything.

Nothingness means not anything.

So it can be argued that nothingness never existed. There never was nothingness.

Nothingness as a concept of itself of not being anything at all.

True.

[JimL]

On Tweb the subject of nothingness has been discussed from time to time.

There is disagreement as to what nothingness means.

A few things to consider about what nothingness is not:
1) No time.
2) No light nor darkness nor anything in between.
3) No space. No vacuum. Not anything.

Nothingness means not anything.

So it can be argued that nothingness never existed. There never was nothingness.

Nothingness as a concept of itself of not being anything at all.

Very true, so in my opinion, there is no such thing as nothingness which would mean that existence itself is infinite. Infinity is a difficult thing to imagine, that there is no end or boundary to existence, but the idea of nothingness is an even harder thing to imagine in my opinion.

[37818]

Very true, so in my opinion, there is no such thing as nothingness which would mean that existence itself is infinite. Infinity is a difficult thing to imagine, that there is no end or boundary to existence, but the idea of nothingness is an even harder thing to imagine in my opinion.

Therefore: the uncaused existence.

[JimL]

Therefore: the uncaused existence.

Yes, therefore existence itself would be uncaused.

[robrecht]

Very true, so in my opinion, there is no such thing as nothingness which would mean that existence itself is infinite. Infinity is a difficult thing to imagine, that there is no end or boundary to existence, but the idea of nothingness is an even harder thing to imagine in my opinion.

Infinite existence may be thought of as god or God or no god or God. Pantheism perhaps. Or a Personal God perhaps. Or an infinite everything existing eternally, which some equate to pantheism unless they do not want to use a word that contains the 'theism' root.

[JimL]

Infinite existence may be thought of as god or God or no god or God. Pantheism perhaps. Or a Personal God perhaps. Or an infinite everything existing eternally, which some equate to pantheism unless they do not want to use a word that contains the 'theism' root.

It may be thought of that way, but my own way of thinking about it is natural in that the cosmos itself is infinite in extent and there is no distinct existence that lies beyond or outside of that cosmos. If there were, then again there would need be a kind of nothingness, the very thing I find to be most incomprehensible, separating the two. Pantheism is just a way of sneaking the idea of God into the equation, but it really has no meaning since all of existence would be God.

[robrecht]

It may be thought of that way, but my own way of thinking about it is natural in that the cosmos itself is infinite in extent and there is no distinct existence that lies beyond or outside of that cosmos. If there were, then again there would need be a kind of nothingness, the very thing I find to be most incomprehensible, separating the two. Pantheism is just a way of sneaking the idea of God into the equation, but it really has no meaning since all of existence would be God.

Right. That is why I allotted space for those who affirm no god or God and do not want to use a word that contains the 'theism' root.

[JimL]

Right. That is why I allotted space for those who affirm no god or God and do not want to use a word that contains the 'theism' root.

Sure, but its not about wanting or not wanting God, its about the incomprehensibility of nothingness and if there is no such thing as nothingness, if existence is infinite, then from my perspective, there is no god either.

[robrecht]

Sure, but its not about wanting or not wanting God, its about the incomprehensibility of nothingness and if there is no such thing as nothingness, if existence is infinite, then from my perspective, there is no god either.

Why does it follow that there is no god or God if existence is infinite? Why could not God or gods be a large part of infinite existence?

[JimL]

Why does it follow that there is no god or God if existence is infinite? Why could not God or gods be a large part of infinite existence?

Because basically, if god were part of the natural and infinite existence, then for one thing, the infinite existence was not created, and without creation, there is no god.

[robrecht]

Because basically, if god were part of the natural and infinite existence, then for one thing, the infinite existence was not created, and without creation, there is no god.

I don't think that follows; why could not God be always and eternally existing infinitely and always and eternally creating an infinite existence?

[shunyadragon]

I don't think that follows; why could not God be always and eternally existing infinitely and always and eternally creating an infinite existence?

. . . because 'not God' could be the Pantheistic or Atheist eternal and infinite uncaused physical universe.

[robrecht]

. . . because 'not God' could be the Pantheistic or Atheist eternal and infinite uncaused physical universe.

Of course. Why do you think that has any relevance to what I said? Perhaps you are imagining I said something that I did not say. I did not say that it follows that God is always and eternally existing infinitely and always and eternally creating an infinite existence. I merely implied that it was not impossible given JimL's view.