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Definition of Atheism
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostNo, there are not. All non-theists are atheists by definition.Many and painful are the researches sometimes necessary to be made, for settling points of [this] kind. Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines, which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer. When this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again the next year, as if nothing had ever been written upon the subject.
George Horne
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostNo, there are not. All non-theists are atheists by definition.Many and painful are the researches sometimes necessary to be made, for settling points of [this] kind. Pertness and ignorance may ask a question in three lines, which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer. When this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again the next year, as if nothing had ever been written upon the subject.
George Horne
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Originally posted by mattbballman31 View PostYou said:
Anyone who claims to have a cogent proof that there is a God is wrong. Anyone who claims that it is irrational to not believe there is a God is wrong. Anyone who claims that not believing there is a God makes one a bad person is wrong. etc.
An agnostic or an igtheist could affirm this. That's all I said.Originally posted by Stoic View PostJust to avoid confusion, I'm the one who said that.Originally posted by mattbballman31 View PostUm, that's why I said 'you said'; you're the direct object of the 'you' there.
For the record, I'd be willing to defend the last two, but I disagree with the first.
One should never underestimate the power of a fungible definition, stoic. I'm pretty sure I could mount a cogent argument that cats exist. On the other hand, with apologies to your dog, I'd need a bit more evidence for the stoic.
Which God did you say you believe in, matt?
Please say it's coffee. I shun caffeithen. Got m'self a Keurig shrine where I do my devotions every morning.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostOne should never underestimate the power of a fungible definition, stoic. I'm pretty sure I could mount a cogent argument that cats exist. On the other hand, with apologies to your dog, I'd need a bit more evidence for the stoic.
OTOH, I never said I couldn't be proved wrong. It's just that in the case of a strange definition of "God", proving me wrong wouldn't have much effect.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAtheists don't believe there is a Sweden?
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Originally posted by mattbballman31 View PostThere are four positions you can take to a proposition:
1. You can believe it is true.
2. You can believe it is false.
3. You can suspend belief about whether it is true or false.
4. You can say it's meaningless.
If the proposition is 'God exists', then 1 implies you're a theist, 2 implies you're an atheist, 3 implies you're an agnostic, and 4 implies you're an igtheist.
Done.
Though, i'd personally change 3 to believing the ontological status of God is unknowable (of "God's existence is knowable" is false).P1) If , then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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Originally posted by mattbballman31 View PostGive me the definition.
Merriam Webster:
Definition of atheism
1a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b: a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
"A lack of belief". If you don't believe (i.e., if you're not a theist), you're an atheist.America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostAny dictionary will do.
Merriam Webster:
Definition of atheism
1a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
b: a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods
"A lack of belief". If you don't believe (i.e., if you're not a theist), you're an atheist.P1) If , then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View PostAgain, only going by the definition given. You're free to agree and I'm free to disagree.America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostAnd if I say that the word 'apple' means a long, yellow, curved fruit (actually a herb), I'm wrong only going by the definition given.
But if I ask you for an apple, I'm not going to get a banana
because I'm simply wrong. As you are here.P1) If , then I win.
P2)
C) I win.
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