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Last edited by seer; 04-28-2014, 09:47 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI don't agree at all. Again, if you are correct there would be next to zero ethical commonality across cultures, or any possible moral understanding between peoples. But that is not the case, nor has it ever been. And what culture sees murder or theft within their own tribe as good things? Or bravery as bad and cowardice as good?Originally posted by seer View PostReally, can you repeat these. Where do we find ethical commonality across cultures.
Why should I provide examples of ethical commonality when you already agree they exist? The difference I propose is in regards to what falls under a given label. Multiple cultures may abhor murder, but even in the US that term has a lot of disagreement about what acts do or don't qualify. Some consider capital punishment to qualify as murder while others don't, even while both parties consider murder a moral ill.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
Why should I provide examples of ethical commonality when you already agree they exist? The difference I propose is in regards to what falls under a given label. Multiple cultures may abhor murder, but even in the US that term has a lot of disagreement about what acts do or don't qualify. Some consider capital punishment to qualify as murder while others don't, even while both parties consider murder a moral ill.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostCarrikature, if there is such a disagreement about what actually constitutes murder then how are we not back in the same boat? No commonality. There must be some real agreement as what would qualify as murder (not total agreement but significant). Look at it this way - I don't think that there is a culture on earth (now or in the past), if I visited and decided to shoot one of their citizens, just for the fun of it, where I wouldn't be arrested for murder.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostMurder relates to the killing of a group member under specific circumstances. Who is included in the group, and what those circumstances are, can vary greatly without affecting that basic definition, and that basic definition is the commonality. In fact, I dare say that most moral questions boil down to doing something to a group member under specific circumstances. Fraud, theft, murder, slavery, justice, and kindess all fall into this paradigm. It's the fundamental question of personhood: who/what possesses it, and what privileges (if any) come with it. Even granting that all people are equal, there are still disagreements on whether or not certain groups count as people. Abortion is a perfect example of that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostOf course. Just don't ignore the broader context.
I'm not, I'm just trying to establish that there are some moral norms that cross cultural lines and not just in a vague sense but in specific.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'm not, I'm just trying to establish that there are some moral norms that cross cultural lines and not just in a vague sense but in specific.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIt seems that the recent posts have shown that the problem with 'defining rights' usually has resulted from the unwillingness to define 'other' peoples as being part of one's own group.
That is definitely part of it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostReally, can you repeat these. Where do we find ethical commonality across cultures.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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