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Atheism And Moral Progress
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, "better is better" regardless of whether or not someone is of an opinion to the contrary. Morality is about human relationships, in other words it's about the good of human society, not one mans opinion.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, "better is better" regardless of whether or not someone is of an opinion to the contrary. Morality is about human relationships, in other words it's about the good of human society, not one mans opinion.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy JimL, that is claiming morality and good and evil are objective!
By definition morality represents social and cultural norms that vary from culture to culture and over time (subjective attributes). The similarities in morality between cultures are consistent and objective attributes with the needs of the survival of the human species with the need of cooperative social relationships in families and communities.
By definition in the English language morality is neither objective nor subjective. It is related to social contracts and relationships between humans.
Being from God would be Spiritual Laws and teachings.
An individual can have a distinctive moral code, but it would not be meaningful socially unless it was a shared moral code.Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-02-2018, 09:37 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostActually no, even Biblicaly morality has subjective properties. depending on the culture in time and history.
By definition morality represents social and cultural norms that vary from culture to culture and over time (subjective attributes). The similarities in morality between cultures are consistent and objective attributes with the needs of the survival of the human species with the need of cooperative social relationships in families and communities.
By definition in the English language morality is neither objective nor subjective. It is related to social contracts and relationships between humans.
Being from God would be Spiritual Laws and teachings.
An individual can have a distinctive moral code, but it would not be meaningful socially unless it was a shared moral code.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt's like you are on your own little version of tweb where people are saying things completely different than they actually said. Your response is nonsense. JimL claimed that morals have a measurable "goodness" to them that is independent from what any particular person or group may think about it. That is pretty much the definition of objective morality. Whatever you just wrote is off the wall nonsequitur.
Don;t expect me to agree with any one in particular, but nonetheless . . .
Yes, morals have a measurable goodness in terms of the objective attributes of morality that are common to all cultures that is necessary for the survival of humanity in terms of preserving the family and community.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWe aren't arguing dictionaries here Shuny.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWe aren't arguing dictionaries here Shuny.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy is he even in my thread?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat does that have to do with anything? Show me from Scripture or shut up, really...
We don't live in a God ordained theocracy, and just because we don't want to execute gays does not mean that we have to embrace or support every immoral behavior, personally or in law.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, you are dense. Again, you completely misunderstand Lewis' point, he is not saying that witches don't or didn't exist.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostYou're missing the point. The demonstrable fact is that the whole system of apartheid was built on the basis of scripture. So was slavery. So was the denigration of the role of women. So still is the condemnation of homosexuality in some quarters. It's not up to me to justify any of it. The whole biblical morality bit is crap as far as I'm concerned. It all depends upon who's interpreting it.
Why don't you want to execute gays? God told you to do it. Same with adulterers...I'll even help you with Trump. Why are you being disobedient to God's unambiguous commands?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostBut God said they did exist, and that they had to be executed. It's very straightforward...the good Christian folk of Salem knew this. So who's CS Lewis to argue that witches may not exist?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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