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  • #76
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    But God believed that witches existed, that why he commanded that they be killed. Got it wrong did he?

    Gobbledegook!
    No, you are dense. Again, you completely misunderstand Lewis' point, he is not saying that witches don't or didn't exist.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #77
      Originally posted by JimL View Post
      No, "better is better" regardless of whether or not someone is of an opinion to the contrary. Morality is about human relationships, in other words it's about the good of human society, not one mans opinion.
      Who decides what the good of society is Jim? The Communists? The Muslims? The Anarchists? The Republicans? The Socialists? It all comes back to opinion...
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #78
        Originally posted by JimL View Post
        No, "better is better" regardless of whether or not someone is of an opinion to the contrary. Morality is about human relationships, in other words it's about the good of human society, not one mans opinion.
        Why JimL, that is claiming morality and good and evil are objective!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Why JimL, that is claiming morality and good and evil are objective!
          Actually no, even Biblicaly morality has subjective properties. depending on the culture in time and history.

          By definition morality represents social and cultural norms that vary from culture to culture and over time (subjective attributes). The similarities in morality between cultures are consistent and objective attributes with the needs of the survival of the human species with the need of cooperative social relationships in families and communities.

          By definition in the English language morality is neither objective nor subjective. It is related to social contracts and relationships between humans.

          Being from God would be Spiritual Laws and teachings.

          Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=morality+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS735US735&oq=morality&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.7608j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

          morality -

          principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
          synonyms: ethics, rights and wrongs, ethicality More
          a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.
          plural noun: moralities.

          the extent to which an action is right or wrong.

          © Copyright Original Source



          An individual can have a distinctive moral code, but it would not be meaningful socially unless it was a shared moral code.
          Last edited by shunyadragon; 08-02-2018, 09:37 AM.
          Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
          Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
          But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

          go with the flow the river knows . . .

          Frank

          I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
            Actually no, even Biblicaly morality has subjective properties. depending on the culture in time and history.

            By definition morality represents social and cultural norms that vary from culture to culture and over time (subjective attributes). The similarities in morality between cultures are consistent and objective attributes with the needs of the survival of the human species with the need of cooperative social relationships in families and communities.

            By definition in the English language morality is neither objective nor subjective. It is related to social contracts and relationships between humans.

            Being from God would be Spiritual Laws and teachings.

            Source: https://www.google.com/search?q=morality+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS735US735&oq=morality&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.7608j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

            morality -

            principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
            synonyms: ethics, rights and wrongs, ethicality More
            a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.
            plural noun: moralities.

            the extent to which an action is right or wrong.

            © Copyright Original Source



            An individual can have a distinctive moral code, but it would not be meaningful socially unless it was a shared moral code.
            It's like you are on your own little version of tweb where people are saying things completely different than they actually said. Your response is nonsense. JimL claimed that morals have a measurable "goodness" to them that is independent from what any particular person or group may think about it. That is pretty much the definition of objective morality. Whatever you just wrote is off the wall nonsequitur.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              It's like you are on your own little version of tweb where people are saying things completely different than they actually said. Your response is nonsense. JimL claimed that morals have a measurable "goodness" to them that is independent from what any particular person or group may think about it. That is pretty much the definition of objective morality. Whatever you just wrote is off the wall nonsequitur.
              Your ignoring the fact that morality is not objective nor subjective according to how it is defined in the English language,

              Don;t expect me to agree with any one in particular, but nonetheless . . .

              Yes, morals have a measurable goodness in terms of the objective attributes of morality that are common to all cultures that is necessary for the survival of humanity in terms of preserving the family and community.
              Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

              Frank

              I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                Your ignoring the fact that morality is not objective nor subjective according to how it is defined in the English language,
                We aren't arguing dictionaries here Shuny.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  We aren't arguing dictionaries here Shuny.
                  Why is he even in my thread?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    We aren't arguing dictionaries here Shuny.
                    If that is the case there is no argument nor basis for objective morality.
                    Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                    Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                    go with the flow the river knows . . .

                    Frank

                    I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
                      If that is the case there is no argument nor basis for objective morality.
                      What have you been smoking?

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Why is he even in my thread?
                        I am here until you ban me, and, of course. that would be an honor.
                        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
                        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
                        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

                        go with the flow the river knows . . .

                        Frank

                        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by seer View Post
                          What does that have to do with anything? Show me from Scripture or shut up, really...
                          You're missing the point. The demonstrable fact is that the whole system of apartheid was built on the basis of scripture. So was slavery. So was the denigration of the role of women. So still is the condemnation of homosexuality in some quarters. It's not up to me to justify any of it. The whole biblical morality bit is crap as far as I'm concerned. It all depends upon who's interpreting it.

                          We don't live in a God ordained theocracy, and just because we don't want to execute gays does not mean that we have to embrace or support every immoral behavior, personally or in law.
                          Why don't you want to execute gays? God told you to do it. Same with adulterers...I'll even help you with Trump. Why are you being disobedient to God's unambiguous commands?
                          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            No, you are dense. Again, you completely misunderstand Lewis' point, he is not saying that witches don't or didn't exist.
                            But God said they did exist, and that they had to be executed. It's very straightforward...the good Christian folk of Salem knew this. So who's CS Lewis to argue that witches may not exist?
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              You're missing the point. The demonstrable fact is that the whole system of apartheid was built on the basis of scripture. So was slavery. So was the denigration of the role of women. So still is the condemnation of homosexuality in some quarters. It's not up to me to justify any of it. The whole biblical morality bit is crap as far as I'm concerned. It all depends upon who's interpreting it.
                              No Tass I am not missing the point, show me from scripture where interracial marriage is prohibited. You know that is not the case.


                              Why don't you want to execute gays? God told you to do it. Same with adulterers...I'll even help you with Trump. Why are you being disobedient to God's unambiguous commands?
                              I already explained this Tass. Christians are not commanded to execute any man. We are not Jews living under the Mosaic legal code. Christ will judge all evil doers at His return.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                But God said they did exist, and that they had to be executed. It's very straightforward...the good Christian folk of Salem knew this. So who's CS Lewis to argue that witches may not exist?
                                You really are slow...
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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