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Atheism And Moral Progress

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  • Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
    I'm sorry but, again, you're wrong. There is always a 'decision' for survival - again, as far as 'decision' can be applied to a natural biological process.
    That is the point - you can't apply decision to mindless processes. Or aim or direction. These require intellectual fore though.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post

      That is the point - you can't apply decision to mindless processes. Or aim or direction. These require intellectual fore though.
      No, the point is that it is not blind luck as you repeatedly claim.
      America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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      • Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
        No, the point is that it is not blind luck as you repeatedly claim.
        How is it not blind luck? Be specific please.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • Originally posted by seer View Post

          How is it not blind luck? Be specific please.
          Survival of the fittest is the opposite to blind luck.
          America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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          • Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
            Survival of the fittest is the opposite to blind luck.
            But even the fittest among us are subject to happenstance.

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            • Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
              Survival of the fittest is the opposite to blind luck.
              It is not blind luck that some species survive and others don't? And where did this ability - survival of the fittest - come from? Did that ability come about by blind luck?
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by seer View Post

                It is not blind luck that some species survive and others don't? And where did this ability - survival of the fittest - come from? Did that ability come about by blind luck?
                Actually if a tree falls in the forest and the alpha of a surviving and thriving special is under it: happenstance. Wrong place at the wrong time and ..........splat. Sometimes luck is deaf, dumb and blind or simply bad.

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                • Originally posted by thormas View Post

                  But even the fittest among us are subject to happenstance.
                  WHich nobody has disputed. An element of chance does not equate to it being "just blind luck".
                  America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post
                    It is not blind luck that some species survive and others don't?
                    No, it's not. How many times do you need that to be said to you?

                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    And where did this ability - survival of the fittest - come from? Did that ability come about by blind luck?
                    Survival of the fittest isn't an ability to have come from anywhere. It's a description of the natural process whereby the best fitted to an environment survive.
                    America - too good to let the conservatives drag it back to 1950.

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                    • Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
                      WHich nobody has disputed. An element of chance does not equate to it being "just blind luck".
                      I always equated the two: happenstance is always blind.

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                      • Originally posted by seer View Post

                        Yes, and I know that there is no direction in evolution, no aim, no decision for or against survival. Some species just get lucky and other don't.
                        Of course, there is no aim, or decision-making process in Evolution – this would suggest, without any evidence, that a ‘mind’ is at work guiding it all. But you are anthropomorphizing without ANY justification a perfectly natural process.

                        Evolution by natural selection is one of the best substantiated theories in the history of science. We know how it works, namely species that are best adapted to the natural environment are the ones that will survive. And if the natural environment changes they will either adapt via natural mutations or go extinct – as 99% of life on Earth has. IF, as you seem to believe, that 'god did it' he wasn't any good at it.




                        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post

                          That makes no sense, the society or tribe that defeats the other tribe and takes their stuff does not believe their acts are immoral. You saying otherwise has no meaning.
                          No doubt the Christian colonists who slaughtered the indigenous inhabitants of America or Australia and took their lands and destroyed their cultures did not believe that their acts were immoral at the time. They even justified such atrocities with quotes from scripture. But such behavior is recognized now as immoral behavior. And this is because moral values evolve and vary from culture to culture over time.
                          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                          • Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View Post
                            No, it's not. How many times do you need that to be said to you?
                            You keep asserting that without evidence. Saying "survival of the fittest" has no meaning. Did some thing design this system of survival? Or did it come about by accident?


                            Survival of the fittest isn't an ability to have come from anywhere. It's a description of the natural process whereby the best fitted to an environment survive.
                            It didn't come from anywhere? Magic? And what created that process besides accidental happenstance?

                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

                              No doubt the Christian colonists who slaughtered the indigenous inhabitants of America or Australia and took their lands and destroyed their cultures did not believe that their acts were immoral at the time. They even justified such atrocities with quotes from scripture. But such behavior is recognized now as immoral behavior. And this is because moral values evolve and vary from culture to culture over time.
                              And why is our moral view "now" correct and their past view "wrong?" Based on what?
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

                                Of course, there is no aim, or decision-making process in Evolution – this would suggest, without any evidence, that a ‘mind’ is at work guiding it all. But you are anthropomorphizing without ANY justification a perfectly natural process.

                                Evolution by natural selection is one of the best substantiated theories in the history of science. We know how it works, namely species that are best adapted to the natural environment are the ones that will survive. And if the natural environment changes they will either adapt via natural mutations or go extinct – as 99% of life on Earth has. IF, as you seem to believe, that 'god did it' he wasn't any good at it.
                                Like I said, some species get lucky and most don't.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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