On Moral Realism

[shunyadragon]

Shuny, does God, in your opinion, have any moral preferences concerning our behaviors?

Yes, that humanity naturally and spiritually evolves to a more universal and beneficial system morals and ethics harmonious with the spiritual progressive Revelation.

[shunyadragon]

They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

Romans 2:15 NLT

If written in the hearts of humanity Revelation from God in is indeed progressive and evolving in ALL humanity, and not in one ancient tribal scripture or another.

I believe the evolving dynamic spiritual and physical evolution is indeed progressive and cyclic reflected in the evidence of the history of humanity, evolving life, and the physical history of our earth an universe, and of course written in the hearts of humanity..

[Machinist]

If written in the hearts of humanity Revelation from God in is indeed progressive and evolving in ALL humanity, and not in one ancient tribal scripture or another.

I believe the evolving dynamic spiritual and physical evolution is indeed progressive and cyclic reflected in the evidence of the history of humanity, evolving life, and the physical history of our earth an universe, and of course written in the hearts of humanity..

What sort of compass do we use to know the trajectory of any progress?

[seer]

Yes, that humanity naturally and spiritually evolves to a more universal and beneficial system morals and ethics harmonious with the spiritual progressive Revelation.

So God would not support things like adultery, fornication, homosexuality etc...? These are not beneficial - correct?

[seer]

If written in the hearts of humanity Revelation from God in is indeed progressive and evolving in ALL humanity, and not in one ancient tribal scripture or another.

But the God of Moses is not a tribal deity, Moses was a Manifestation of God. The one true God according to your beliefs. So the God of Moses was not merely a tribal deity.

[seer]

If you asked a utilitarian, for example, the answer would be that one moral ideal would tend to promote more happiness for more people than another moral ideal.

So how are we not back to moral relativism.

[shunyadragon]

But the God of Moses is not a tribal deity, Moses was a Manifestation of God. The one true God according to your beliefs. So the God of Moses was not merely a tribal deity.

By definition Moses is not a deity.

[shunyadragon]

So God would not support things like adultery, fornication, homosexuality etc...? These are not beneficial - correct?

True, but being selective on your part does not address the issue. I believe spiritual laws are not intended to be regulatory civil laws today based on the separation of religion and state.

[shunyadragon]

What sort of compass do we use to know the trajectory of any progress?

Not the Bible advocating and condoning such things as slavery. Unfortunately ancient tribal religions do not have laws against slavery. I believe the Baha'i Faith is on the trajectory.

[seer]

By definition Moses is not a deity.

I said the GOD of Moses was not merely a tribal deity, according to your religion...

[seer]

True, but being selective on your part does not address the issue. I believe spiritual laws are not intended to be regulatory civil laws today based on the separation of religion and state.

So how do you measure progress, if not by the actions of societies...

[seer]

Not the Bible advocating and condoning such things as slavery.

But it was Moses, a Manifestation of God, who allowed slavery - so obviously God allowed it...

[shunyadragon]

I said the GOD of Moses was not merely a tribal deity, according to your religion...

Not true according to my religion. The Revelation given to Moses was for the tribe led by Moses, which therefore a tribal religion. God is much more universal in his Revelation to humanity than any single ancient tribal religion of past.

[shunyadragon]

But it was Moses, a Manifestation of God, who allowed slavery - so obviously God allowed it...

Revelation is progressive over time, and evolves spiritual morals and ethics with humanity. As humanity evolves God's spiritual laws evolve. Do you still approve of slavery as moral and ethical today?

[seer]

Not true according to my religion. The Revelation given to Moses was for the tribe led by Moses, which therefore a tribal religion. God is much more universal in his Revelation to humanity than any single ancient tribal religion of past.

But that God is not a tribal God - agreed? And BTW Christianity is also a universal Religion, and that came 1800 years before your faith.