Where there is no possibility of child bearing, say between a father and adult son, or between sisters, in what sense would a secularist consider this immoral?
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Is Incest Morally Wrong?
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Is Incest Morally Wrong?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Leaving aside "secularists," Bible literalists can't consider incest *inherently* wrong, even when child-bearing *is* possible, since (taking Genesis literally) that was the way humanity progressed beyond the First Couple.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostLeaving aside "secularists," Bible literalists can't consider incest *inherently* wrong, even when child-bearing *is* possible, since (taking Genesis literally) that was the way humanity progressed beyond the First Couple.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
So you don't consider it immoral?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
No.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
While it might be the way it started because of necessity, God did prohibit it later (see Leviticus 18 for example) and made it immoral.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
While it might be the way it started because of necessity, God did prohibit it later (see Leviticus 18 for example) and made it immoral.
Are certain things *inherently* immoral, irrespective of what "God says" about them?
Or does the supposed "morality" of an action depend solely on God's explicitly stated will about that action?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Right, as believers we see it as immoral. It violates the law of God. But why would non believers see it as immoral?
The Law of the Obsolete Covenant is no longer in force under the New and better Covenant. Even if we accept the dubious premise that the Decalogue is still Law for us, what is the basis for reviving "moral" concepts from other parts of the defunct Law?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
The same context (Lev. 18) forbids sexual relations during a woman's monthly period. Is that also "immoral"?
The Law of the Obsolete Covenant is no longer in force under the New and better Covenant. Even if we accept the dubious premise that the Decalogue is still Law for us, what is the basis for reviving "moral" concepts from other parts of the defunct Law?
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
The Law of God is written on the heart of man. Is it not self evident that having sex with your wife on her monthly is not the same offense as having sex with say, her mother? It seems like it's intuitive as to what is right and wrong here. A man having sex with an animal. What's wrong with that picture? You see what i'm saying?
The bestiality thing is qualitatively different. It is "unnatural," not to mention icky, independent of whether it is "immoral."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
But Sparko and seer seem to be asserting that the explicit instructions of God in Lev. 18 are what converted the practice from moral or neutral to immoral. Given that framing of the argument, how is sex with a woman during Aunt Flo's monthly visit different?
The bestiality thing is qualitatively different. It is "unnatural," not to mention icky, independent of whether it is "immoral."Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Icky and unnatural to you.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Yes. What's your point?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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